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NoNukes
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Message 61 of 96 (770029)
09-28-2015 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Jon
09-28-2015 11:12 AM


Re: Spirit Be Damned.
Death and disease are purely spiritless and mechanical processes.
We could scarcely avoid finding meaning in death or disease given their impact on us personally. I wonder how that supports an argument that assigning meaning to astronomical phenomena like comets and eclipses is at all helpful.
Assigning meaning to our world is as necessary for doing good as it is for doing bad - probably even moreso.
How about an example of how this might work for an astronomical event such as an eclipse or the moon appearing in the seventh house?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 62 of 96 (770030)
09-28-2015 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Faith
09-28-2015 11:50 AM


Re: frequency of eclipses
Faith writes:
you can't be talking about TOTAL
Because you did not limit your remarks to total eclipses.
Faith writes:
In this current tetrad of blood moons, which may or may not have been a complete tetrad, there was one solar eclipse, on March 20 of this year preceding the Passover blood moon. If they occur with blood moons, for some reason only one in four occurred this time.
A tetrad of blood moons occurs about once in 250 years, eight of them since the time of Christ. Single blood moons are more common.
Totally wrong. There were eight tetrads in the twentieth century alone.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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jar
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Message 63 of 96 (770031)
09-28-2015 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Faith
09-28-2015 11:50 AM


the asbsurdity of listening to prophetic ministries
Faith writes:
The information I'm getting about the four blood moons and the one solar eclipse comes from the prophetic ministries -- a whole bunch of them -- who have been following this tetrad event for the last few years.
And that is your problem. All prophetic ministries have been shown to be wrong 100% of the time for at least the last 2015 years. Their record is even worse that abysmal; it is a record of never ever ever getting anything right but instead being very profitable at getting the gold out of Christian pockets and into theirs.
Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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ringo
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Message 64 of 96 (770033)
09-28-2015 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Faith
09-28-2015 11:50 AM


Re: frequency of eclipses
Faith writes:
Single blood moons are more common.
A few months ago we had a lot of smoke in the air from forest fires hundreds of miles away - so much smoke as to be a health hazard. The moon was blood red.
So prophecy nuts don't have to rely on mere astronomy for "fulfilment".

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Jon
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Message 65 of 96 (770035)
09-28-2015 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by NoNukes
09-28-2015 11:51 AM


Re: Spirit Be Damned.
I see. So it's only okay for people to find meaning in the spiritless and mechanical processes you approve of.
Have fun with that.

Love your enemies!

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NoNukes
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Message 66 of 96 (770036)
09-28-2015 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Jon
09-28-2015 1:39 PM


Re: Spirit Be Damned.
So it's only okay for people to find meaning in the spiritless and mechanical processes you approve of.
People can do what they want. But apparently your mouth has once again written a check that your butt cannot cash. You cannot show that people being concerned about death or disease, things which affects them severely means that they also ought to believe in astronomical omens that have no effect on them whatsoever.
If you have a real argument or even a persuasive reason to attach fake significance to any natural event, perhaps you'll present one or the othr at some point.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 67 of 96 (770038)
09-28-2015 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by MrHambre
09-28-2015 6:07 AM


Re: The Usual Suspects
I talked my wife into going outside to view the eclipse. The sky was quite cloudy and we caught just a few glimpses of the moon through a few areas of thinning cloud cover as totality approached. I have no idea whether I even caught a glimpse of totality. I certainly could not see any hint of anything red.
I called my daughter in the Chicago area, and she reported seeing just about the same thing I did. I went back inside to finish my work, and did not look up again until the eclipse was well over. I never went back outside.
Overall, a pretty disappointing night. I would suggest that if anyone intends on seeing the total eclipse during the summer of 2017 that you probably should not invite me to join you. Apparently I bring bad viewing eclipse weather.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 68 of 96 (770040)
09-28-2015 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by jar
09-28-2015 12:44 PM


Re: the asbsurdity of listening to prophetic ministries
All prophetic ministries have been shown to be wrong 100% of the time for at least the last 2015 years.
If we are going that route, the Great Tribulation is supposed to come before the darkening of the sun. Also the stars are supposed to darken, something that never happens during an eclipse anyway.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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AZPaul3
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Message 69 of 96 (770042)
09-28-2015 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Jon
09-28-2015 11:12 AM


Re: Spirit Be Damned.
Death and disease are purely spiritless and mechanical processes.
Moving the goal posts, again.
Diomedes writes:
Anyone have any guesses what century it will be before we finally cast off the vestiges of our less enlightened past and admit that celestial events like these are nothing more than a neat light show?
Jon writes:
There's nothing wrong with seeing more in a lunar eclipse than a 'neat light show'.
inre: celestial events and lunar eclipse
AZPaul3 writes:
The problem is that this meaning from our less enlightened past could mean other humans had their lives made more miserable and too early ended.
Jon writes:
It can also mean compassion for others and motivation for self-improvement.
AZPaul3 writes:
Could. But history shows us it hasn't.
Jon writes:
Of course it has. Death and disease are purely spiritless and mechanical processes.
Has nothing to do with the discussion of celestial events and lunar eclipse being given "meanings" history has shown all too often are anything but "compassion for others and motivation for self-improvement."
Jon, if you haven't any appropriate counter-argument then don't reply. Stop trying to create a face-saving win by diddling the subject with nonsense.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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dwise1
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Message 70 of 96 (770043)
09-28-2015 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by NoNukes
09-28-2015 11:51 AM


Re: Spirit Be Damned.
... or the moon appearing in the seventh house?
Which, yet again, is an event that happens quite frequently. In this case, every single day.
To assign the timing of a prophecy of a once-in-all-eternity all-emcompassing event, such as the end of the earth (which has an extremely long history), to something that happens all the time just makes no sense at all.

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Jon
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Message 71 of 96 (770048)
09-28-2015 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by NoNukes
09-28-2015 2:03 PM


Re: Spirit Be Damned.
I never said people ought to believe in anything, much less 'astronomical omens'.
Once again you are inventing an argument and calling it mine to avoid dealing with the argument I am actually making.

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 72 of 96 (770052)
09-28-2015 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by AZPaul3
09-28-2015 3:03 PM


Re: Spirit Be Damned.
Moving the goal posts, again.
I'm moving nothing. My original statement was:
There's nothing wrong with seeing more in a lunar eclipse than a 'neat light show'.
And I stand by that statement.
Finding meaning in the mundane is a basic part of being human, and there is nothing wrong about finding meaning in anything and everything at all.

Love your enemies!

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AZPaul3
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Message 73 of 96 (770053)
09-28-2015 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Jon
09-28-2015 7:22 PM


Re: Spirit Be Damned.
And I stand by that statement.
Good. Nothing has changed. You're still wrong.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 74 of 96 (770054)
09-28-2015 9:27 PM


The results
Yesterday afternoon I found a truck stop parking lot a couple miles from home that looked like a spot to watch the eclipse. Later I set up 2 cameras with long lenses to shoot some photos.
This is the eastern horizon at 19:04 pdt. Note the pinkish band of smoke. I'm thinking this will be a problem......
The white arrow is where I calculated the moon would appear.
The red arrow is where the moon was when I actually first spotted it. It was so close in tone (level of brightness) to the sky that it was almost invisible. This is the size the moon appears on my sensor.
While I was first setting up my cameras and lenses, a woman drove up and asked if I was going to watch the eclipse. I said yes and she got out and said she had driven down from Portland to watch it. Over the course of the eclipse, 30 or 40 cars parked nearby and people got out and stood and waited and then watched for a while once it was visible. Most of them came over and spoke to me, I guess because I was the only one with lenses set up. I let some look through my camera, but it was set too high for some. They could see the shots I was getting on the camera LCD screen. I spent about an hour talking mostly to one guy from Alabama as I was snapping shots. The truckstop was right off the freeway and quite a few people said they were just passing by and wanted stop and find a place to watch. Oddly, no one said they were from around here.
I do not think they were quite as sharp as the ones from last October, but this eclipse was redder.
I was disappointed that one of my setups did not work well. I had never mounted that lens on a digital camera before so I need to practice with it and experiment a bit. It should capture sharper images plus fill the frame.
ABE: This was shot with a Nikon D700 camera, Century Precision Optics 500mm f4.5 lens, ISO=1600, f8 @1.6sec.
Photos of the moon during eclipses are much softer than can be achieved normally. I think I will try a few shots of the moon tonight.
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.

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Jon
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Message 75 of 96 (770056)
09-28-2015 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by AZPaul3
09-28-2015 8:39 PM


Re: Spirit Be Damned.
If you truly and deeply believe it is wrong to find meaning in an eclipse, you are mad.
I suggest you find better things to worry about, though, than what some folks think of the moon.

Love your enemies!

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