Homosexuality and Evo, Creo, and ID

But is he being discriminated against because of his religious beliefs ? This case is much less clear-cut than the cases Faith complained about.

Won't the fact that she offered a pastry bag and frosting for him to add the offensive slogans onto the cake himself show that she was still willing to provide services, but not breach her own personal ethics. It seems like this baker is going out of her way to still provide the service in a fashion that could be mutually beneficial. He receives the products he paid for, including the means to add any slogans he wishes with the frosting provided and she is making a sale without having to sacrifice her ethical viewpoint. This seems in complete counterpoint to the instances of bakeries refusing to bake a cake for a same sex marriage. In those cases, they suggest the couple go to another bakery, while in this case the woman still worked to find a solution that would work for both parties involved.

Well, yes he is. He wanted the words "God hates gays" on his cake, which is his sincere religious belief, and they denied it because it contravenes their own beliefs. If he'd asked for a cake saying "Flibberty wibberty bibberty bobberty boo", then that would have been equally stupid, but no-one would have denied it to him. They refused him the cake because they didn't want to get involved with what he actually did want to say. Surely that is their right.

The point is that nowhere have we seen that the right to equal services goes so far as to demand the right to have absolutely any decoration on the cake desired.

The artwork and words on a cake are speech covered by the First Amendment. You cannot force someone to speak against their will or their conscience.In the gay-cake scenarios the bakers were refusing to do business with someone because they were gay. They had the right to refuse to decorate the cake with two grooms, maybe, but a flat refusal of service to any class is forbidden.In the bigot-cake scenario the service is not refused. The offensive nature of the speech on the cake, which no one can force the baker to speak, was accommodated in what seems to me to be a reasonable way.I cannot imagine any but the most blatantly biased and bigoted of arbiters allowing this complaint to proceed.

If you are talking about the instances of Christian business people, none of them denied general service to gays, a "class of people," only services that support gay marriage which they oppose.

HUH?How does a wedding cake support a marriage? Are marriages without a cake still valid?I don't think you have ever explained that to us.

There's a difference between the cake and the words on the cake. If you refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding, I'd revoke your business license. If you refused to write "God loves fags" on a cake, I'd support you.

Right, of course you would. So you'll drive all Christians out of business, which is at least along the lines of what prophecy tells us to expect.

No, the bigots will drive themselves out of business, by violating the community standards, just like they would if they operated an unhygienic kitchen. The Christians will do unto others as they would have others do unto them.

Of course, "bigots" according to you are those who refuse to give up the tenets of their religion, as long as it's the orthodox Biblical Christian religion. But you wouldn't call a Muslim a bigot for refusing to give up FGM would you? Of course not, because YOU're the bigot with the irrational standards, who gives yourself the right to tell us what we should believe, otherwise known as PC.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

That's just more at best, bullshit, in reality lies from you Faith. It would drive no one out of business and only prevent bigots from discriminating against innocent people.Remember Faith, not all Christians oppose same sex marriage or condemn homosexuality; it is only the Christian Cult of Ignorance and "Biblical Christians" that deny what the Bible actually says that hold such sill positions.Have you ever tried to support how a wedding cake actually supports or validates a wedding?

Sure, if YOU are defining what a Christian is then you don't have to notice when the orthodox Christians are driven out of business and you can content yourself with dismissing us as bigots. Very effective method of bigotry on YOUR part, I congratulate you all.

You just can't resist posting stuff just to make you look silly can you Faith?I'm not the one defining who a Christian is, in fact I am the one who accepts that a Christian is a Christian if they are a member of one of the Chapters of Club Christian.But you claim that your Chapter of Club Christian is orthodox while other Chapters are not. Which of us is defining what a Christian is?

I didn't say I'm NOT defining what a Christian is, but it's YOUR definition that turns us into bigots and gets our businesses closed.