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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
You mean that the unconstitutional laws have been rightly thrown out by the Federal Appeals Courts. Because there was no valid argument for the bans. When you don't even know which courts are involved you can hardly claim to be informed about the actual cases.
And of course, characterising the courts as "sick" and "evil" simply for coming to a decision you don't like is just the demonisation of opponents. I guess that will be the justification you use for the re-education camps.(Well, how else are you going to convince us that we're Nazis ?)
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
How about the 1994 fire-bombing of the Kalispell clinic ?
Her clinic was firebombed in 1994 and forced to shut down for five months. A Washington man named Richard Andrews was convicted of firebombing it, and seven other clinics in four states that provided abortions, including ones in Missoula and Helena.
And we know who did that. He admitted it in court.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: They have no right to institute laws discriminating against gays. Gays DO have the right to equal treatment, and that argues for legalisation of gay marriage for reasons already given.
quote: So you think it's all right to call people "sick" and "evil" for something that they haven't done.
quote: You'll be praying that they DON'T obey the Constitution. Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Of course it is. The quote came from Jar's link. I was pointing out something in it that you had overlooked. Of course it is only one of the 8 clinics he fire-bombed.
quote: I never said that it was anything else.
quote: I do ? Please tell me where I attempted to do that. It seems to me that that better describes your behaviour.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Obviously not, as your failure to make a case against gay marriage shows.
quote: Just more empty rhetoric. Which just shows that you claims about the Constitution are also empty.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: No Faith. I can see that what you said is not true.
quote: And how did I do that ? I didn't say anything about the peaceful protesters. I simply pointed out that you had missed the best piece of evidence that Jar had provided. You will note that I haven't supported any of his other links at all. I think that all his other links are rather poor, to be honest, not demonstrating anything worse than harassment of patients (which is bad, but not on a par with death threats).
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: In fact it doesn't, but thank you for admitting that you think that you can decide who does and who does not have the rights guaranteed by the Constitution. It's implicit in what you've said but now you've made it plain. Even though you obviously have no idea what the First Amendment says.
quote: We don't believe the lies, of course. In reality the First Amendment was meant to apply to all religions. Although protecting Christians from other Christians was part of it. The Puritans oppression of the Catholics in Maryland is a case in point. But it is also a lie that we seek to deny your Constitutional rights. Now certainly you deny the segregationists - as Christian as you - the same rights that you claim. We, however dispute your claim - and we have arguments which you need to answer. You neither answer our arguments nor offer any reason why the segregationists can be denied their "rights" but not you.
quote: Funny how truths you want suppressed are always "propaganda"
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: So long as you don't go off into territory that does break the law, or agreements you've made of course you're free to say that in the US, and I wouldn't want that to change. But passing a law against gay marriage on that basis is also against the U.S. Constitution, so you cannot expect that, nor fairly rail against the courts for denying it.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
We'll see you for what you are. And you'll complain bitterly about that, too.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Just as you aren't free to declare your businesses "whites only". It's the same law.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Doesn't change the fact that you have no problems when it's other people's religious beliefs getting the same treatment.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Facing prosecution for discriminating against people, when their religion says that they should. Under the exact same laws.
quote: I did? Is this another case of you telling a truth you don't like a lie?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: How is it a lie? You don't mention anything untrue about it. And The businesses I have in mind ARE "Christian" on both sides of the comparison.
quote: Then how can you know that it is untrue? Really Faith, I don't see how you can be confused about this after the number of times it comes up. The segregationists believed that the Bible requires that the races should be separate. A segregationist who tries to stop different races mixing on his premises or who refuses to bake a wedding cake for an interracial couple breaks the anti-discrimination laws. The same laws with the same penalties that your "Christian" bakers broke. And you haven,t spoken up up once for the segregationists.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: And I am not in any way suggesting otherwise.
quote: And yet you cannot point out anything that is factually incorrect. Telling truths you don't like is not lying, Faith.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Now that is untrue. The situation is sufficiently similar to be relevant. Again you are throwing accusations but providing no support for them whatsoever. And THAT seems to be a clear diversionary tactic. The facts are clear, the similarities are there. if you won't address the issue honestly then you are implicitly accusing yourself.
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