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Theodoric
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Message 997 of 1309 (741940)
11-15-2014 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 996 by Faith
11-15-2014 5:49 PM


Re: learn a little history Faith
The Nazi's were christians.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 999 of 1309 (741942)
11-15-2014 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 985 by Faith
11-15-2014 4:50 PM


The idea that James was not gay is revisionist history. He was an extreme hypocrite, but he was gay. There is plenty of historical evidence that he was gay. Using what he said to prove he was not a homosexual seems kinda silly.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 1004 of 1309 (741947)
11-15-2014 6:02 PM
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11-15-2014 5:58 PM


You have no evidence

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 1005 of 1309 (741948)
11-15-2014 6:07 PM
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11-15-2014 5:58 PM


Re: learn a little history Faith
You do realize that it is possible to research facts.
Fact one
Catholics are christian
Fact two
Nazi's were christians.
quote:
In 1933, prior to the annexation of Austria into Germany, the Christian population of Germany was 67% Protestant and 33% Catholic.[1] A census in May 1933, six years into the Nazi era[2] and incorporating the annexation of mostly Catholic Austria into Germany, indicates 54% considered themselves Protestant, (including non-denominational Christians) and 40% Catholic. 3.5% self-identified as "gottglubig" (lit. "believers in god", often described as predominately creationist and deistic[3]), and 1.5% non-religious. Most of this latter 5% were committed Nazis, who left the churches in response and encouragement of the Nazi Party program to reduce the influence of the Christian churches in Germany.[4] Most members of the Nazi Party, however, were Christians. Composed mostly by members of the Lutheran Evangelical tradition, members of the apostate Nazi inspired Positive Christianity sect and some of the Catholic faith tradition respectively.
Sources are listed on the wikipedia site.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 1009 of 1309 (741957)
11-15-2014 8:40 PM
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11-15-2014 7:02 PM


Re: learn a little history Faith
Is it really that hard for you to do basic research and read? Are you capabale of critical thinking. Or are you just a liar for Jesus?
No. They have not been fined yet. As Mod has shown. He probably spent 2 minutes confirming this. Why can you not do the same?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 1023 of 1309 (741975)
11-15-2014 10:13 PM
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11-15-2014 9:56 PM


Re: You need to read more carefully jar
I don't see anywhere in the tract you highlighted that says you should treat the people it mentions like shit.
How about you and the other fundies worry about themselves. Self-righteous hypocritical assholes is what the lot of you are. When anything other people do makes you a fornicator, idolater, adulterer, homosexual, sodomite, thief, covetor, drunkard, reviler or extortioner, then you can stand up and stop them. Until then mind your own business and leave people alone.
Oh and by the way the bible verse isn't Jesus talking.

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 1047 of 1309 (742018)
11-16-2014 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1037 by Faith
11-16-2014 11:56 AM


I can't just take your word or your sources as necessarily authoritative. The letter to Buckingham supposedly calling him "wife" is just odd. abe: For him to mention God loving him in a letter to a homosexual lover makes NO sense at all. It sounds like a letter he would have written to his wife Anne that got misattributed to Buckingham, and how that might have happened raises all kinds of strange questions about the integrity of somebody in this saga.
Of course you don't think any source but some whack Jesus is god site is authoritative. You will change all evidence to suit your purposes anyway. The letter was written to Buckingham. There is evidence of that. Mainly who he was writing to. The actual letter exists and can be read.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 1048 of 1309 (742019)
11-16-2014 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1046 by Faith
11-16-2014 12:59 PM


Then I'm going to wonder if it's a forgery.
Like every other letter he sent to his lovers.
IT BURNS

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Message 1057 of 1309 (742036)
11-16-2014 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1051 by Faith
11-16-2014 1:37 PM


1) it's just so weird, that letter he supposedly wrote to Buckingham, first invoking God and calling him wife, it's just too too weird.
Because you find it weird it cannot be? Seems quite rational for him to talk to the person he loves this way.
2) Besides why on earth would he leave such evidence around for his enemies to find?
Views of same sex relationships were different back then. This was before victorian prudishness. Also, he was an authoritarian despot. He didn't care what people thought.
3) It contradicts too much else that is known about him. He had a reputation as a true Christian. Kings generally don't mind being all kinds of sinners if they really are, but he seemed to be a genuine believer. And enemies love to smear such people.
He had a reputation as an amoral despot.
) The whole idea was concocted after his death and most of it in our time. Nobody ever accused him of homosexuality in his own time which they certainly would have in that age.
No. You just want this to be. He was a known homosexual in his time.
In 1623 Thophile de Viau (1590- 1626) wrote obscene poem "Au marquis du Boukinquan,".
Apollo with his songs
Debauched young Hyacinthus
Just as Corydon fucked Amyntas,
So Caesar did not spurn boys.
One man fucks Monsieur le Grand de Bellegarde [a friend of Viau],
Another fucks the Comte de Tonnerre.
And it is well known that the King of England
Fucks the Duke of Buckingham.
Gaudiani, Claire Lynn (1981). The Cabaret poetry of Thophile de Viau: Texts and Traditions page 104
Source
Any more evidence you want to ignore?

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 1095 of 1309 (742082)
11-16-2014 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1076 by Faith
11-16-2014 2:58 PM


I am pretty sure we showed clearly that Mr. Coston isn't qualified to say much about this subject. He has absolutely no historical training and he is involved with organizations whose sole purpose is to put James and his son Charles on a pedestal. He is not a source anyone should put any faith in.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 1135 of 1309 (742190)
11-17-2014 6:43 PM
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11-17-2014 6:38 PM


Re: Sixth District Circuit Court Ruling for Gay Marriage Bans
Are you married, or have you ever been married?

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Message 1141 of 1309 (742198)
11-17-2014 8:50 PM
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11-17-2014 6:46 PM


Re: Sixth District Circuit Court Ruling for Gay Marriage Bans
Divorced?

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Message 1155 of 1309 (742227)
11-18-2014 9:20 AM
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11-17-2014 6:46 PM


Re: Sixth District Circuit Court Ruling for Gay Marriage Bans
How does homosexual marriage effect your marriage?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 1204 of 1309 (742353)
11-19-2014 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1203 by Tangle
11-19-2014 8:55 AM


Re: Just Wait a Bit
There's nothing much to be done about it now unless he'd care to re-introduce himself and we'd all be happy to hear what he has to say. I've also got a few pithy questions I'd like to put to him too.
I'd tell him and his dad to go screw themselves. If they are the creators of all the suffering in the world then I will go with another option. I have no desire to spend eternity with anything so vain, egotistical and immoral as the christian god and little boy jesus.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 1282 of 1309 (748560)
01-26-2015 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1281 by Faith
01-26-2015 7:50 PM


Ya know, the First Amendment was put into place even as Christians were preaching for and against slavery.
There fixed it for you.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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