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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Yes, it is so much easier to run for political office as an atheist than as a christian these days.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
If all that is recent then it's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about down through history. Recently, within the last few years or so, the whole world has gone insane. Kindly produce one reliable and detailed report to prove your claim so I can see what you are talking about. Ummm, like the ancient Greeks? Like the Turks of the Ottoman Empire? Isn't is also perverted for siblings to marry and have sex? There are lots of examples of that ... Enjoy by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Request reliable evidence of official homosexual marriages in ancient Greece and in the Ottoman Empire. Thank you. They are in history texts, and if you are truly interested you will do the research yourself. You can start your search here: History of same-sex unions - Wikipedia That lists many levels of unions around the world and through the ages, and it is sufficient to document that it occurred. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... I'm only interested in official state-recognized marriages on a par with heterosexual marriages. ... So you want evidence of state-recognized marriages for homosexuals before there were state-recognized marriages for heterosexuals? Fascinating dodge. What you have is evidence of culturally accepted homosexual public relationships, people that were not persecuted for living their lives their way. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Yes I've been married. Would you say that your marriage is\was defined by the times you had sex?
Message 1134: Marriage has to do with the objective physical fit of male and female. ... So you never had oral sex? Mutual masturbation? Used sex toys? No foreplay? Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : ...by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... RAZD thinks I'm saying sexual variety must not be a part of marriage in my experience ... I used the bolt lock example just as a way of emphasizing that it's about uniting the two distinctly different sexes, ... The first point dear Faith is this: there are many fun a varied ways to enjoy a sexual experience without being limited to putting a penis into a vagina. Tongues have no significant sexual differentiation, fingers and toes have no significant sexual differentiation ... and we know that it is not about making children or marriages between elderly people would also be objectionable. So how you have sex is irrelevant. The second point is that once we have eliminated the need for a penis to enter a vagina in order to have a marriage, then we can focus on all the other aspects of marriage. When we do that there is no reason to say that people A & B can get married but people C & D cannot, and it is obviously irrational to do so. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The point dear RAZD is that my analogy had absolutely nothing to do with anybody's personal experience of marriage, sex or love or anything on that level, it was an objective abstract analogy to illustrate the complementarity of the differences between the sexes that marriage is intended to unite. It was intended as a definition of the parties involved, had nothing whatever to do with personal experience. So it is about penis in vagina sex. Glad we cleared that up. I'd hate for marriage to be confused with something as abstract as love. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... We do not grant special rights to aberrant groups. Like bigoted fundamentalist religious groups. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I don't often say this, but well played, evil bigot, well played. This is what I was talking about. She shouldn't have the right to refuse him service based on his views, but she should have the right to not actually endorse his views by providing him with a service. Let's ban discrimination by all means, but there ought to be a fence around people's first amendment rights --- the government can't force people to say things they violently disagree with. quote: Freedom from discrimination means (a) you cannot discriminate against people for race, religious, disability, sexual orientation or ethnic reasons ... (ie - the gay couple were discriminated against by the cake baker), (b) you cannot force someone else to participate in your desire to discriminate against people for race, religious, disability, sexual orientation or ethnic reasons ... (ie - the gay hater was not discriminated against, he was given full opportunity to get a cake, but his discriminatory hate message was not permitted). Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : ..by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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