Jesus was born under a palm tree, not in a manger.

According to the Qur'an, Jesus was not born in a manger but under a palm tree This is the same story but with a different set of 'facts'. What are we to make of this?The Qu'ran also speaks of the Virgin birth by the way, which is kind of interesting Edited by Tangle, : Typo

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What we should make of it is that the Qur'an is not a Bible just as the Old Testament is not the Tanakh.Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

I think it's pretty interesting that the two different religions tell the same story, but with differing 'facts'.It's like the witnesses to a car crash can agree that there was a some kind of crash but not where, when and how. It either throws added doubt into the pot or it's a further confirmation of it having happened.Personally, I think shows the hallmarks of a long term Chinese whisper.

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And the throes of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died before this, and had been a thing quite forgotten!

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That sounds fairly true to life. The Biblical accounts just gloss over the actual birth. The Qur'an seems more likely to be authentic.

what demon whispered that in your ear? I swear, sometimes you people have more faith in logic and reason than you do in what actually happened!It all goes back to where you deny Jesus as God. This is where the whole problem starts.

Perhaps the characters are the same. The stories seem completely unrelated.

Well yes, if they were the same there would be nothing to puzzle over and a stronger case for the single story of Jesus's birth being true. The question is, why do they differ?Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

They differ in Christian tradition as well. There is no single nativity story in the Bible either. Plus, his birth doesn't seem to have been very important originally. Luke and the authors or editors of Matthew mention it as well as a few apocryphal texts but neither the author of John or Mark even mention it. Paul seems to be unaware or uninterested in the subject as were all the other authors of stories and letters that made it into the New Testament.

They differ probably because Mohammed made it up, or his "angel" friend "Gabriel" did. The Quran contains lots of stuff taken out of the Bible including a long passage straight out of Isaiah (IIRC) and mixes up characters from the old and new Testaments. The Quran was written six hundred years after the New Testament.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I love it when religious people say that other religions are made up the irony is ... priceless.I guess you just have to have faith right that Mohamed was the true prophet, billions have it and accept it as fact, so much so that they are willing to blow them selves up for their god. Would you strap a bomb to your chest if you heard Jesus in your head saying you should do it.Accept Allah in to your hart and youl get 72 virgins, what do the Jesus blasphemers get in their haven huh?Personally id take 3 fire breathing whores over 72 virgins any day of the weak but to each his own.

Even an honest atheist who knows the history ought to be able to agree with me about the Quran. As for strapping a bomb to one's person and expecting to receive such a vulgar reward for murder- suicide, that whole scenario OUGHT to be self-condemning but such is our modern moral condition that you'll even treat it as worthy religion. Well, yeah, I guess it does show a sort of "faith" if it can be called that.The Christian ideal is to die at the hands of others if it comes to that, and die loving them too. Like maybe when a Muslim in his zeal for Allah comes and whacks off your head. I can only pray I might grow into that ideal, I'm nowhere close now. But the difference from Islam ought to be obvious.

You forget that that reward is only for the men. For the women, it's 72 young men who will sit there ... and listen to everything they say.I do however agree with you about the irony. As if their stuff isn't completely made up like all religions'!

True enough. And an honest Christian should recognize that the Bible is similarly patched together from stories that predate it .Is it awkward turning the crank on your own petard?Edited by Capt Stormfield, : No reason given.Edited by Capt Stormfield, : No reason given.

Cmmon trough the whole old testament your gods commands his people to go to war, commit genocide,.... Now suddenly all thats wrong i think the qoran stayed true to its god, while the Christians got tempted by the devil that claimed to take away all their responsibility and sin. So isn't faith a virtue? So that would mean that the only true Christians are the Jane's, the rest of you are just fan clubs?