Why "YEC"/Fundamentalist Creationism is BAD for America

Thugpreacha writes:That's where you are wrong. And the sad thing is, once this fact becomes known globally, the entire scientific secular humanist community will be quite literally blown away!! Aghast at the reality that they won't be able to explain.

Taq writes:That's what every con man says.In the meantime, we will use the evidence that actually exists.

Phat writes:And the sad thing is, once this fact becomes known globally, the entire scientific secular humanist community will be quite literally blown away!!

Dredge writes:According to science, the existence of aliens is not impossible.

Dredge writes:I could think of the best scientific explanation for how Jesus walked on water...

Dredge writes:... I wouldn't believe that explanation because I have a better explanation that is non-scientific.

Dredge writes:This is a difficult concept for an atheist to grasp, since to an atheist, science= truth.

ringo writes:If Dredge is referring to a "spiritual realm", that is a religious argument, not a scientific one. Don't you keep saying that the "spiritual realm" can not be measured objectively? It is therefore not science and can not be the "best scientific explanation" for anything.

Tangle, addressing me writes:I guess you have finally lost it. I'm sorry.

tangle writes:you neither know that nor even know what it means - if anything. Just religious blather.

Matt 10:16-26 writes: "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. 18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; 20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.21 "Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. 22 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. 23 When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.24 "A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. 25 It is enough for a disciple that he be like his teacher, and a servant like his master. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more will they call those of his household! 26 Therefore do not fear them. For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.
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tangle writes:But not knowing doesn't prevent you making totally baseless claims just like all the nutters have done for thousands of years.

2 Peter 3:1-9 writes: Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation." 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
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Phat writes:And the sad thing is, once this fact becomes known globally, the entire scientific secular humanist community will be quite literally blown away!!

ringo writes:That's a totally empty claim with no basis in reality whatsoever.

Phat writes:It is a belief.

Phat writes:My basic point is that not everything that may happen will be corroborated by evidence except after the fact.

Phat writes:Do you believe that Jesus was anything more than an Elmer Gantry type of amalgamation?

Phat writes:Would you ever reconsider based on intuition or would you man up and wait for solid objective evidence?

Thugpreacha writes:What I am asking you to do is to consider all sides when weighing your final evidence. Don't base your entire belief system on raw data. Use your intuition.

All of the evidence is not yet in.

Dredge writes:And consider this: I could think of the best scientific explanation for how Jesus walked on water, but I wouldn't believe that explanation because I have a better explanation that is non-scientific.This is a difficult concept for an atheist to grasp, since to an atheist, science= truth.

Taq writes:Atheists don't have a problem understanding why people will believe in claims that have no evidence to back them, and why they would reject solid conclusions based on evidence. It appears to be a common human flaw.

ringo writes:So there you go, admitting that you have no respect for science. You have "better explanations".

What have atheists got to do with it?

Theodoric writes:Science does not care about truth. Science cares about where the data leads. Data changes therefore science changes with it.

Dredge writes:Hilarious! Next you'll be telling me scientists can be trusted to be 100% objective!

Dredge writes: A poor argument but what an excellent "straw man"!

Dredge writes:Believing science is limited doesn't mean I have no respect for what science can achieve.

Dredge writes:A super computer can't tell me about God but that doesn't mean I have no respect for a super computer.

Dredge writes:To an atheist, science is the ultimate measure of truth - ie, science is their god and in effect, they worship it.