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Dredge Member (Idle past 209 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
I don't believe in aliens
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8742 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.8
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Not the natural kind anyway.
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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ringo Member (Idle past 805 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
So you lied when you said that aliens were the "best scientific explanation" for... whatever. Something that doesn't exist can not be the "best scientific explanation" for anything. I don't believe in aliensIzquierdo.
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Phat Member Posts: 18763 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Knowing Dredge, which I, of course, don't...
![]() Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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ringo Member (Idle past 805 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
If Dredge is referring to a "spiritual realm", that is a religious argument, not a scientific one. Don't you keep saying that the "spiritual realm" can not be measured objectively? It is therefore not science and can not be the "best scientific explanation" for anything. Thus, the phenomena if they could be objectively measured originate from a spiritual realm....Izquierdo.
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Phat Member Posts: 18763 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Keep in mind that the best explanations are not always scientific. There are some events that have intuitive unverifiable explanations. Science is not always the best explanation by default conclusion
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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ringo Member (Idle past 805 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I keep in mind that that's your opinion. You're wrong. Keep in mind that the best explanations are not always scientific. But that isn't the issue here. Dredge was talking about the "best scientific explanation", not the "best woo explanation".
Phat writes:
If it's unverifiable, it isn't even good, much less best. There are some events that have intuitive unverifiable explanations.Izquierdo.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9699 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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If you're going to make a claim like this it absolutely must be followed by, 'for example....'
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18763 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
That's where you are wrong. And the sad thing is, once this fact becomes known globally, the entire scientific secular humanist community will be quite literally blown away!! Aghast at the reality that they won't be able to explain.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18763 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
If you're going to make a claim like this it absolutely must be followed by, 'for example....' You likely will see the evidence before you die. Then again, I don't know. But I do know that all things hidden will one day be revealed. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Tangle Member Posts: 9699 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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Phat writes: You likely will see the evidence before you die. I guess you have finally lost it. I'm sorry.
Then again, I don't know. But not knowing doesn't prevent you making totally baseless claims just like all the nutters have done for thousands of years.
But I do know that all things hidden will one day be revealed. you neither know that nor even know what it means - if anything. Just religious blather.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Whatever. We have been waiting thousands of years for this "evidence". Woo has never been shown to be a better explanation than science. Trickle down economics is more likely to be proven real.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Taq Member Posts: 10454 Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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That's what every con man says.
In the meantime, we will use the evidence that actually exists. Edited by AdminPhat, : No reason given. Edited by AdminPhat, : fixed my own mistake
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Dredge Member (Idle past 209 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
No, no lying. According to science, the existence of aliens is not impossible. A scientific theory, believe it or not, has nothing to do with belief - it is simply an explanation according to the rules and parameters of science. Belief is irrelevant.(Besides, why believe a theory when you know a better theory may well arise to replace it?).
So you lied when you said that aliens were the "best scientific explanation" for... whatever. Something that doesn't exist can not be the "best scientific explanation" for anything. And consider this: I could think of the best scientific explanation for how Jesus walked on water, but I wouldn't believe that explanation because I have a better explanation that is non-scientific. This is a difficult concept for an atheist to grasp, since to an atheist, science= truth. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Science≠Truth.
Science does not care about truth. Science cares about where the data leads. Data changes therefore science changes with it.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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