I don't believe in God, I believe in Gravity

I have no idea what accountability has to do with anything here. It's simply a question of whether or not supernatural agents (if such things exist) can in principle be objectively evidenced or not.The question remains - Why is it not conceivably possible for this to occur?If GOD (the supernatural creator of all that is seen and unseen) chose to come to us in material form and undertake miracles that can be witnessed by anyone, video recorded etc. etc. - Then why couldn't this conceivably happen?What "by definition" attribute of supernatural GOD makes this scenario impossible?I would have thought Christians would be quite receptive to that idea....? Instead they seem to recoil in horror at the idea that objective evidence ever could occur and prefer to stick to visions and voices type "evidence". Why is that?

Well there is your problem.The only whay to test a hypothesis is by test natural things. As long as you are just making shit up it is mental masturbation, not science.

Not at all. I'm using it exactly as you are when you say, "All knowledge, most definitley scientific knowlegde, is both tenative and fallible." You conveniently ignore the example I gave you in Message 633 (the very message you're responding to):

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You believe that your wife or girlfriend will come home today. You can "predict" that she will, based on past behaviour but you know that people do fail to come home; there is a finite probability that she will not.

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You can know to some level of confidence what you can observe. You can not observe everything such that you can make reliable predictions.

Are you sure?This reminds me of a quote from Richard Feynman who said something like'We can never know that we are right. We can only be sure when we are wrong.'It made me laugh because I thought that surely we could know that we are right about what we know to be wrong.

Suppose it could. What would be so supernatural about a fully material being interacting with the material world around it?

Humans cannot define the impossible. We cannot declare anything to be impossible, since at best we have but theories.

Then I'm sure you'll agree with me that the 'miracles' in the bible, including Christ's resurection, were not miracles at all.

We cannot say either way. There were eyewitnesses, but the stories may have changed.

So, as a christian, you don't believe in the resurrection?

Personally, of course I believe. My opinions on the matter is that truth is truth regardless of who believes or acknowledges it as such. God created humanity long before we even had the wisdom to believe...or doubt...or declare the impossibility of His existence.

So what's all this about not knowing that something is a miracle or not? You plainly do.

I believe it. You don't. Technically I cant say I know it(except in my heart) Neither do you.

You'll forgive me for being baffled.

Of course. I probably baffle myself sometimes, and jumped into the conversation on a lark. I suppose that my original point was that we humans cannot clearly define what is and is not impossible. We can only verify what is possible.

And yet you are certain that the impossibility of the resurrection happened and I am certain that it's impossible for a beheaded and cremated man to get up and walk.Seems pretty simple to me.