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Author Topic:   Isaiah 53 speaks about ISRAEL, and not about the messiah.
Davidjay 
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Message 91 of 174 (806576)
04-26-2017 11:35 AM


Israel is not a superior country
Judiasm and Churchianity BOTH preach Isreal and Israelis are better or superior than other races and other people, this is not true and is not biblical, although they use the Bible as their supporting evidence.
The basic proven principle is that RACISM is wrong, and immoral, and causes wars and killing. No people are any better than any other people. Thats evolution, thats racism, thats untrue.
Israel can sometimes mean a chosen people that have individually chosen love and the Messiah as Jacob choose wisely and as some of our brethren in the past CHOOSE wisely.
But it was always by choice, and never by bloodlines or heritage... thats racism, thats evolutionary dogma.
Blessings come from good choices, moral choices, loving cooperative choices...not from your bloodlines, or parents choices etc etc or from where you were born, or what country you hold your passport from.
Love determines blessings, not skin colour, or religious affiliations. Dont believe in groups and be a groupie, you must be an individual and individually choose.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 92 of 174 (806584)
04-26-2017 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Davidjay
04-26-2017 11:35 AM


Re: Israel is not a superior country
No people are any better than any other people.
Not true. For example, take a look at me. I'm better than you.
I mean, you are a charlatan...

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Message 93 of 174 (806615)
04-26-2017 10:18 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by New Cat's Eye
04-26-2017 1:35 PM


Re: Israel is not a superior country
Yes, you are an evolutionist, and believe in and act upon the basic premise of evolution. I cant argue with you on this. You do deem yourself better than others and demean others when they dont follow your religion of evolution and branching and racism.
The worldly nation of ISRAEL is not special and blessed and not superior to all other nations. All nations are the same to the Lord, as the Lord sees individual hearts and not clumps of people, or tribes or nationalities or religions or branches of supposed evolutionary advanced people who all think they are better than others.
Racism is wrong and the Lord is not a racist, He sees individuasl hearts.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 94 of 174 (806767)
04-27-2017 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Davidjay
04-26-2017 10:18 PM


Re: Israel is not a superior country
Yes, you are an evolutionist, and believe in and act upon the basic premise of evolution. I cant argue with you on this.
That's obvious.
You do deem yourself better than others and demean others when they dont follow your religion of evolution and branching and racism.
Nope, just you... because you're a charlatan, and charlatans are bad people.
The worldly nation of ISRAEL is not special and blessed and not superior to all other nations. All nations are the same to the Lord, as the Lord sees individual hearts and not clumps of people, or tribes or nationalities or religions or branches of supposed evolutionary advanced people who all think they are better than others.
You don't know what the Lord sees, nor do you speak for Him.
Racism is wrong and the Lord is not a racist, He sees individuasl hearts.
You don't know what He sees, you're just making up bullshit and preaching.
You suck, charlatan.

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Message 95 of 174 (806911)
04-29-2017 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by New Cat's Eye
04-27-2017 3:50 PM


Re: Israel is not a superior country
Cats eye, your name calling again proves you can not defend your position or theory of evolution OR it is proving evolutionists have no morality
(SEE thread Atheists have no moral standard)
Calling you an evolutionist, as I have is what you call yourself, so I am not name calling, but giving you your agreed upon label for your belief system or theory system.
So do call me a 'Christian' if you choose and have some class or some integrity. Not a churchie but a Christian.
I dont mind at all. I follow his doctrine of equality and love.
Evolution preaches racism, inequality, branching, and competition.
Choose wisely
EvC Forum: Evolution is a racist doctrine
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

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Message 96 of 174 (806912)
04-29-2017 9:01 AM


Choose to be a chosen people
The chosen people, were those that choose to be chosen. It was always choice.
Cain choose to kill his brother, and on going it has always been choice, choice choice, and never bloodlines.
One was chosen because they choose the Lord, others rejected because they choose to reject love and reject the Lord.
The people in the wilderness were a mixed multitude, and as they went many choose to bot believe and chose to rebel. They choose to lose, rather than remain and be winners.
Outsiders along the way from other nations, could join the chosen people if they choose the Messiah, choose the Messiah that was coming, and then they became equal.
The worldly nation of Israel chooses to believe they are better and superior to other people and nations according to their supposed heritage and supposed debate-able bloodlines, when the principle has always been CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE.
So reread Isiah 53, as churchies and jewish people love to think one race or bloodlines is superior to others, which brings them in conflict with other religions and nations, and brings on war and continual war.
Only choosing love makes one equal...

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

  
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Message 97 of 174 (807038)
04-30-2017 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Davidjay
04-29-2017 8:54 AM


Re: Israel is not a superior country
Cats eye, your name calling again proves you can not defend your position or theory of evolution OR it is proving evolutionists have no morality
Oh, I'm capable. You're just too dishonest to be worth the time.
Calling you an evolutionist, as I have is what you call yourself, so I am not name calling, but giving you your agreed upon label for your belief system or theory system.
I think the word 'evolutionist' is stupid and that people who use it like you do are stupid. Like, you don't call people gravitists...
There's a difference between accepting scientific theories and holding religious beliefs. I know; I do both.
So do call me a 'Christian' if you choose and have some class or some integrity. Not a churchie but a Christian.
I dont mind at all. I follow his doctrine of equality and love.
Evolution preaches racism, inequality, branching, and competition.
Nah man. You're committing the unforgivable sin. As a charlatan here, you are spreading falsehoods and lying in the name of God. That is Blaspheming the Holy Spirit - and you should stop it.
I'll call you a Christian, but only to tell you that you are a terrible Christian and you are making the rest of us look bad, so please shut up.

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Message 98 of 174 (807048)
04-30-2017 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by New Cat's Eye
04-30-2017 1:59 PM


Re: Israel is not a superior country
I agree with your reply Title
Israel is not a superior country.
Racism, or thinking you are better or superior to any other country or nationality or bloodlines is untrue and is racism and causes wars and kiilling... in the name of nationalism or religion or in the name of betterment for mankind.
Racism is wrong and is not love.
Jesus taught equality and love, deal with it evolutionists from a standpoint of your theory that is dependant on mutations that supposedly make species or races superior or better. Evolution is a racist theory. Know the basics and then you can discern politics, propaganda, lies whether out of school or in school lies and deceptions.
Reject racism in all cases.
Besides no population is homogeneous, all individuals must choose, whether in Israel or outside of Israel. All must individually choose.
SEE and study
To study prophecy and learn from prophecy, you have to have a basic understanding of Jesus’ principles. And they are not
complicated nor are they theological nor semantic, they are down to earth precepts. They are your foundation, the rock upon
which you build your whole structure and framework of thinking and actions.
And the basic TWO PRINCIPLES are . EQUALITY and CHOICE. If you understand in your heart and mind through words
and experiences, that Equality is a fundamental principle of the Lord, you have a chance of understanding His Prophecy. And if
you add to Equality, a fundamental understanding that each of us has to choose the Lord and His actions of LOVE, then you have
the two cornerstones or pillars upon which all your temple can be built . EQUALITY and CHOICE.
If you don’t you shall utterly fail, and never be able to discern prophecy because you will get it wrong like the perverted
church system has gotten it wrong. You will get current events wrong, history wrong, the future wrong, and will make all the
wrong decisions in the present and in the future.
For when you believe in Equality, you know that men and women are equal, and that those that say differently have been
mislead. You know that Westerners and Easterners are all the same to the Lord. He doesn’t have favorites that are from any
country or nationality, regardless of how rich that country is in a worldly sense. He loves the rich and poor EQUALLY. This
seeming easy concept, the church system denies as their godliness is gain theology says that the richer a person is the more godly
they are. Yet using your standard of equality, you can then discern that their dogma of favoring the west and the rich is ungodly
and untrue. Are you catching it ?. Using the standard of equality, you can learn to discern or judge principles or doctrines ?
If you hear that women brought sin into the world and should be submissive to men and their husbands. Take that doctrine to
your standard of equality and it fails and comes up short. So reject it, and stick with your proven principle of Equality. SEE
Equality not Patriarchy
Then when you hear or read about how the church system favors the worldly country of Israel, you can judge for yourself
whether this doctrine has merit. For it seems to violate the precept of Equality of all men, and that the Lord treats all men the
same. The church system saying, the Jews are special and chosen, and that is just the way the Lord is, end of discussion. But is it
so. NO, according to the precept of CHOICE which is in every Book of the Bible and the fundamental concept of all Christianity
and the thing the Lord demands of every person on Earth. No one has a free ride or special privileges. Everyone must choose
HIM to be chosen. Everyone must choose the CHOSEN ONE which is Jesus. There are no exceptions, there has never been any
exceptions. There is only one standard for all, and one set of rules for all. All must choose.
No tribe, no nationality, no country is sacrosanct and innocent and saintly. That’s common sense and is absolutely
scriptural. All countries are nothing to the Lord, and He just uses them to fulfill His Plan of Prophecy. A passport from Israel
does not certify godliness nor special privileges with the Lord. Blood lines mean absolutely nothing to the Lord. Your lineage is
interesting and got you here, but your parents do not dictate your life or your choices. You must choose. The Jews individually
must choose love and the Lord. Everyone must choose, everyone has the divine right and responsibility to make choices.
SEE We all have to choose
Do you understand this pillar of strength and truth in your very being and soul, because if you don’t you will be swayed by
the overwhelming majority that either want to think they are special and elite, or those who want to get on the elite bandwagon
and be carried by this supposed elite group. SORRY, each individual must choose, no group, no nation, no church, no synagogue,
no political party, no tribal affiliation, no union, no marriage, no bloodlines, no parentage can get you to heaven, each individual
has to choose the Heavenly One . JESUS.
How simple it is, Choice and Equality. If you know these two principles, you have a good chance of understanding prophecy.
All the best in His Precepts of LOVE . Equality and Choice.
In His Service
David and Trixie
Back to Prophecy Timelines
SEE also Moses' Prophesy about 2 Israel's
Israel is not Israel
From ProphecyDiscernment-EqualityandChoice

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

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Message 99 of 174 (807050)
04-30-2017 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Davidjay
04-30-2017 2:22 PM


Re: Israel is not a superior country
Two precursors or principles to know before you can discern prophecy. You must absolutely know that love is about equality and choice. With these two principles in your heart and mind, you have a chance to discern prophecy.
All the best in your searches for truth
IHS
David

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

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Message 100 of 174 (807095)
04-30-2017 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Davidjay
04-30-2017 2:22 PM


Re: Israel is not a superior country
I agree with your reply Title
I didn't actually write it.
Jesus taught equality and love, deal with it evolutionists from a standpoint of your theory that is dependant on mutations that supposedly make species or races superior or better. Evolution is a racist theory. Know the basics and then you can discern politics, propaganda, lies whether out of school or in school lies and deceptions.
Please stop telling lies and making Christians look like idiots. Just shut up.
Jesus’
Large copy-n-pasts like you just posted are against Rule #6 that you agreed to when you made an account here. Please stop. Like, everything.

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Message 101 of 174 (807099)
04-30-2017 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by New Cat's Eye
04-30-2017 9:06 PM


Re: Israel is not a superior country
I can always explain, explain explain...quite complaining that you have written nothing and nothing you write applies.
Isiah 53 is not about the worldly country of Israel. The Lord is not a racist, the Lord doesnt play favorites, the Lord doesnt have chosen people who are better than other people. Thats racism and against equality and choice.
Learn equality and choice and you can discern prophecy much more easily rather than being tempted to join a group or nationality or religion because they say they are better than others.
Let love be your religion..... and please stop denying denying denying...
All people are winners who choose love...

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

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Message 102 of 174 (807183)
05-01-2017 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by Davidjay
04-30-2017 9:48 PM


Re: Israel is not a superior country
Isiah 53 is not about the worldly country of Israel.
The whole book of Isaiah is about nations. It doesn't make sense for the 53rd chapter to randomly be about something completely different.
To say it is not about Israel is wrong.

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Message 103 of 174 (807187)
05-01-2017 11:07 AM
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05-01-2017 10:54 AM


Re: Israel is not a superior country
Cats eye, you are not a Christian, and probably not a Jew, so you surely are not an expert on Isiah 53.
Isaiah is a prophetic book, it deals with lives, past fulfilled prophecies and future prophecies.... as a non believer and no experiencer, Cats Eye, you have no expertise , except in denial denial, denial..

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

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Message 104 of 174 (807206)
05-01-2017 11:56 AM
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05-01-2017 11:07 AM


Re: Israel is not a superior country
Cats eye, you are not a Christian, and probably not a Jew, so you surely are not an expert on Isiah 53.
I'm a Christian. And I can read. The Book of Isaiah (learn how to spell it) talks about Israel. To say otherwise is retarded.
Isaiah is a prophetic book, it deals with lives, past fulfilled prophecies and future prophecies.... as a non believer and no experiencer, Cats Eye, you have no expertise , except in denial denial, denial..
You can't lie to me about me, I know more about me than you do.
Please stop being a charlatan.

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Message 105 of 174 (807275)
05-01-2017 10:46 PM
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05-01-2017 11:56 AM


Re: Israel is not a superior country
Cats eye, I am shocked, I would have never quessed you were a Christian. It makes no difference in any of my responses though.
I just assumed from your lack of knowledge that you were not a Christian nor Jewish.
Anyway, any group that says they are superior to others is a racist group. And their pretended superiority makes them susceptible to starting disputes and wars against their so called inferior neighbors.
The Lord has no favorites, no chosen people except those that individually choose HIM, and choose love and equality.
No country and no people are superior to any others.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

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