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ringo Member (Idle past 796 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Just on the off-chance that you were ever wrong about something, how would you know? I think all this through for myself. When I'm wrong the people on "my side" don't hesitate to tell me so. (It's a good thing I'm not paranoid.) If you don't consider anybody else's ideas but your own, how do you avoid confirmation bias?
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ringo Member (Idle past 796 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
What you know is much more limited than you think. I stick to the stuff I DO know, it's a pretty limited array. How do you know what your own limits are? Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.
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ringo Member (Idle past 796 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
How would you know if you were looking through the wrong end of the telescope? What I know is a lot less limited than YOU think.![]() What possibilities exist for self-correction in your method?
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ringo Member (Idle past 796 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
The topic is about how creationists can believe such nonsense in the face of all of the evidence and contrary to any logic. I have not attacked you as a person; I'm saying that you hold idiotic beliefs because your methodology is flawed. You're off topic and you're violating the rule against attacking the person, both. So let's try again: If, in the course of human events, you could ever be the slightest teeny bit wrong about anything, how would you know? What possibilities are there in your methodology for correcting errors?
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ringo Member (Idle past 796 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
You're misusing the word "theorizing". Theorizing involves testing so it shouldn't be associated with speculating or fantisizing. Theorizing is not the same as treating something as if it was real but it does explain what is real. Funny you don't seem to realize that all you are doing is speculating, theorizing, fantasizing, and treating it as if it were real. You can speculate or fantasize about things that can not be tested, such as God.
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ringo Member (Idle past 796 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
You're still misunderstanding what a theory is. Evolution is a fact - and no creationist has ever been able to point out what prevents microevolution from adding up to macroevolution. The Theory of Evolution is an explanation of how that fact works. It happens to be the only explanation of how that fact works because creationists admit that their God can not be explained.
... theorizing and calling it fact... Faith writes:
As I mentioned, a theory is tested (and passes the test) before it is called a theory. ... fantasizing and calling it theory... WTF is wrong with creationists is that they don't understand the basic concepts and terminology of science.
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ringo Member (Idle past 796 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
That's just speculation and fantasy. To bring the claim anywhere near science, you'd have to test it.
Mutations are not needed to provide genetic diversity, that is built into the genome of each species from creation.
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ringo Member (Idle past 796 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
It's not an alternate theory, not a theory at all until it has been tested. What part of that do you not understand?
Yes, I'm merely stating the alternate theory which pre-existed the ToE. Faith writes:
Saying something is not support.
Everything I've been saying here, however, goes to support it over the ToE.
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ringo Member (Idle past 796 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Diomedes writes:
Their "logic" is very fluid. So by their logic, Noah was Australopithecus Afarensis? (Of course that chart is pure "fantasy", even though it's made up of real items - whereas the Flood story is very "real", even though there are no real items to back it up.)
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ringo Member (Idle past 796 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
That's nonsense, of course. For one example, the theory of evolution by natural selection was formulated before we knew anything about DNA. The subsequent discovery and study of DNA has provided the mechanism by which mutation and the resulting natural selection works. On the other hand, the study of DNA has provided NO support for the creationist tripe about a magical "super genome". What YOU don't understand is that the ToE hasn't been "tested,".... Every discovery of new facts is a test of the theory. If creationists are so confident in their hypothesis, why aren't they looking for factual support?
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ringo Member (Idle past 796 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
As a friend of mine used to say, you wouldn't know the truth if it sat down beside you in church. You guys are the ones evading the truth, as I said.![]()
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ringo Member (Idle past 796 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
If that was the standard, there wouldn't be anything in the dictionary about gods or religion.
...they SHOULD limit their dictionaries to what they actually know....
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ringo Member (Idle past 796 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
I've asked you more than once: On the off-chance you you might conceivably be wrong about anything, how would you know? What possibility is there for correction in your methodology? Yes, indeed, projection, although a very primitive psychological concept that appeals to the sophomoric pedantic mind, does describe well enough what the evolutionists do as they accuse creationists of their own attitudes. If you were looking in a mirror, how would you know?
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ringo Member (Idle past 796 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Diomedes writes:
Fundie: "Slavery was fun in the Old Testament. It was like a ride at Disneyland." Of all the things that surprise me the most about fundamentalists, is their ability to read the Old Testament, believe it literally and yet still try to pass off god as being 'merciful'. Heathen: "But what about the Golden Rule? Would you want to be a slave in the Old Testament?" Fundie: "Look! A dog with a poofy tail!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 796 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Catholic Scientist writes:
The pinnacle of their logic is, "I know you are but what am I?"
WTF is wrong with these people?
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