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Author Topic:   The Specific Cause of the "Evolution vs. 'Creationism'" Controversy, and of the appar
RAZD
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Message 30 of 46 (744747)
12-15-2014 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by PaulGL
12-13-2014 2:16 PM


Why 'Creationism,' especially YEC, is vain babbling
Hi PaulGL
It is absolutely vain babbling (spiritually speaking) to speculate about man's origins. Such speculation is totally from the wrong tree- the tree of knowledge of good and evil; and as such it is totally incapable of conveying spiritual nourishment and edification.
I have no motive whatsoever to attempt to validate 'Evolution'.
Curiously I disagree. One of the prime talents of the human race is curiosity, and curiosity about origins ranks high on the list of things to be curious about.
Sure we can agree that the oldest fossil bearing rocks that we have found to date had fossils of life already developed. so there is no record of that development that is yet known. We know that life began on earth at least 3 billion years ago. We know that the first life was simple single cellular organisms, prokaryotes, with no nucleus. We know that it took about a billion years for more complex single cellular organisms, eukaryotes, to develop, with a nucleus that may have been another single cell organism swallowed whole and forming a synergistic new type of organism, and that the formation of multicellular life forms occurred shortly after that.
We also know that prebiotic molecules abound in space, possibly formed by exploding stars as chunks of gases cooled. See Panspermic Pre-Biotic Molecules - Life's Building Blocks (Part I).
We also know that chemical reactions can create self-replicating molecules and other elements of primal cells. See Self-Replicating Molecules - Life's Building Blocks (Part II).
We know this because our curiosity has led us to find this information, and we are still finding out things, like the origin of chirality, that lead us further into knowledge of how life may have formed on earth, and possibly elsewhere in the universe.
We know that we will keep looking because we are curious. But when it comes down to whether life actually began this way 3.5 billion years ago or whether it was created, I would have to say that at this point in time that we don't know. Yet.
However, I am 100% against any and all persons (regardless of purity of motivation) who in any way make the disbelief in Evolution a tenet of the Christian Faith, a Faith given once to all whom God has chosen to be His people.
I challenge anyone to dispute the following assertion: "It is completely possible to believe in 'Evolution' and to receive Christ as one's personal Savior, becoming genuinely born again."
Well I agree with you here, and I find no challenge in so thinking. Where I do find challenge is in several specific beliefs of some specific sects or branches of thinking, such as that the earth is young or that a massive world altering flood occurred, that "special creation" was the source of each species of life (including man), or any belief that is at odds with objective empirical evidence.
The world is over 4.5 billion years old. There is no evidence of a global inundation of water simultaneously covering the whole earth. There is evidence of species evolving from prior species and that this process is observed in the ancestry of man.
The teachings of Jesus do not - imho - require such evidently mistaken beliefs.
Enjoy.

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RAZD
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Message 44 of 46 (825899)
12-19-2017 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Coyote
12-18-2017 8:41 PM


Re: Stupidest post of the month...
Stupidest post of the month...
Second. Distilling so much stupidity and error into such a short post takes a certain talent.
The problem is, evolution is GARBAGE essentially. Dead pre-historic bones are garbage and any knowledge derived from them is garbage according to the GIGO principle
An utter lie.
And the only one AlexCaledin is fooling is himself. Classic Cognitive Dissonance, attempting to resolve his dissonance by disparaging the conflicting information. His problems are several fold:
  1. Evolution does not depend on nor is it derived from fossil bones, it is derived from living populations.
  2. His "logical" structure is fatally flawed, as his conclusion does not follow from his precept, it's a non-sequitur.
    - any knowledge derived from Uranium is Uranium?
  3. Calling something garbage does not make it so.
For starters.
Out of interest I looked up the definition
quote:
Definition of garbage
1 a : food waste
   b : discarded or useless material
2 a : trash 1b
   b : inaccurate or useless data
The last definition is what GIGO refers to, while it takes a stretch to apply the first definition to a fossil bone, meaning he has used the fallacy of equivocation - using the word with different meanings.
Curiously, I also looked up compost:
quote:
Definition of compost
1 : a mixture that consists largely of decayed organic matter and is used for fertilizing and conditioning land
2 : mixture, compound
Compost is "used for fertilizing and conditioning land" so it's not garbage.
Sadly, AlexCaledin will continue to have cognitive dissonance problems, because evolution is real and it is occurring all around him, he will keep bumping into it.
The best way to resolve cognitive dissonance is to accept reality and discard falsified beliefs.
Enjoy
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