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Author Topic:   The moral implications of evolution, and their discontents.
Dr Adequate
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Message 121 of 124 (440007)
12-11-2007 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by Beretta
12-10-2007 9:54 AM


Re: I guess maybe I don't know the quality of a South African education.
Hitler used the Roman Catholic church as a front to reassure his followers -he used to pose in front of the church but he was actually an evolutionist in thought ...
Can't you ever get anything right?
"The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger." - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. ii, ch. xi
"For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties." - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. ii, ch. x
"From where do we get the right to believe, that from the very beginning Man was not what he is today? Looking at Nature tells us, that in the realm of plants and animals changes and developments happen. But nowhere inside a kind shows such a development as the breadth of the jump , as Man must supposedly have made, if he has developed from an ape-like state to what he is today." - Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Tabletalk (Tischgesprache im Fuhrerhauptquartier)
"The most marvelous proof of the superiority of Man, which puts man ahead of the animals, is the fact that he understands that there must be a Creator." - Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Tabletalk (Tischgesprache im Fuhrerhauptquartier)

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bluegenes
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Message 122 of 124 (440014)
12-11-2007 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by RAZD
12-10-2007 9:59 PM


Racism is, in a sense, an illusion.
RAZD writes:
Even though genocide or "ethnic cleansing" is not strictly racist (serbs and albanians are the same race) we can use this as an example.
Not just Serbs and Albanians, when you get two groups laying into each other, they're usually from the same or closely related groups, not surprisingly, because they're in the same part of the world.
The Serbs and Albanians have cultural differences, primarily, religion.
So, whether you're looking at the two groups in northern Ireland or the Israelis and Palestinians, the Hindu/Muslim divide in Kashmir, and many other examples in the present world, it's clear that "Us v. Them " human conflicts actually have nothing to do with race at all.
When there's division and conflict between two groups who are perceived as being racially different, then people start talking about this thing called racism, forgetting that the groups actually have cultural differences that are the origins of their different outlooks and identities, just like those involved in disputes who are perceived to be of the same race.
The Nazis certainly built up a race mythology about themselves and the Jews, but the essential differences were actually cultural, and the two groups had been kept apart for an astonishing 1700 years in that area of Europe by two religions. Without this form of cultural separation, they'd have been indistinguishable more than a thousand years ago.
The underlying cause of this separate identity is rarely emphasized in history books. Religion, after all, is supposed to be a good thing, isn't it? Not the underlying cause of masses of killing.
Far better if the blame could be pointed at something else, a much abused scientific theory, for example, then religious people can remain in their happy cocoon of self-delusion.

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jar
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Message 123 of 124 (440021)
12-11-2007 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by kuresu
12-11-2007 12:05 AM


Re: Racism and genocide.
Not too diminish what we did, but do we have accurate population figures? Or death figures?
No, they were not really worth counting.
And did we kill as many in the same period of time as those three managed?
Well, just during Andy Jacksons term as President we killed a bunch of them and of course, he had been killing them for decades before.
We may not have been as rapid but we certainly have been more thorough and persistent.
And is South America one country?
At the time of the major genocide it was likely no country.

Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

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Chiroptera
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Message 124 of 124 (504448)
03-28-2009 1:15 PM


Bumb for Cedre.
Here is another topic for Cedre's consideration. The topic of this thread is whether one can derive any moral or philosophical implications from the theory of evolution.

To count as an atheist, one needn't claim to have proof that there are no gods. One only needs to believe that the evidence on the god question is in a similar state to the evidence on the werewolf question. -- John McCarthy

  
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