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Brian Member (Idle past 4980 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
No need to preface it with anything, I am always right.
I will not discuss anything with anyone who doesn't first accept that everything I say is true. Brian.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3664 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
I appreciate your ironic, and almost humorous reply... however, is it acceptable on EvC to post ad-hom attacks as long as they are followed by ironic, almost humorous replies? You made an ad-hom attack. Do you not have the guts to retract it?
You need to get out more then Out from what, and into where?
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Brian Member (Idle past 4980 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Where is the ad hom?
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CK Member (Idle past 4149 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
(Brian is incorrect that he is correct as I am correct.)
It is my belief* that many of the christians we have on here are suffering from Cognitive dissonance disorder and that is why they struggle with science. I will not explain further as quite clearly I am right and any questions would only proceed from your wrongheaded assumptions and misunderstandings. I think it's entirely right and proper that if some members want to be able to start a debate with their starting position as the final answer that it should stand for all of us. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. * I use my own meaning for words as is the new convention for the board - Belief= I am right. This message has been edited by CK, 15-Sep-2005 06:42 AM
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
CK writes: * I use my own meaning for words as is the new convention for the board - Belief= I am right. Sadly, you have the disadvantage of being a Brit. What you think is right, the rest of us call 'left', as in "Britons drive on the left side of the road, which they think is the right side." Mainland Europeans know left from right of course, and they also know that the left side of the road is most definitely the wrong side of the road to be on for longer spans of time. Since Brian is a Brit too, you're both wrong - or, in your parlance, 'right'.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3664 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Cognitive dissonance? Absolutely. Disorder? Perhaps a little strong in my mind, but probably not yours.
This is why the direct debate here is not working. Brian was quite right when he said
There really isnt any debatse going on with anyone who takes this stance, you would have more success arguing with a turnip although I have had plenty of success in face-to-face discussions. But I do not see this as leaving the doors open to the further comments made by Brian. Being in a state of cognitive dissonance does not imply that one is "sad" and "lonely". If by "sad" we actually mean "unhappy with the dissonance" then fine, but to suggest that a whole person's life is "sad" is absurd, especially as we have recent evidence that faith is one of the key elements that brings "happiness" (can't remember ths issue of New Scientist but here a ref to it BBC NEWS | Africa | Nigeria tops happiness survey) I'm not sure what the issue is here. Are you annoyed with YECs for behaving this way, or with the Mods for not coming down harder? Either way, it is not a reason for your own standards to lapse, or even to allow parody a chance to be taken as the de rigueur debating style of this forum. I think EvC is great place, which is why I hang out here. But comments on this thread have done it a disservice. IMESHO of course
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3664 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
You state that YECs posting on this forum are essentially "sad" and "lonely". In a discussion on "Faith and other YEC: why even bother taking part in the discussion", how is this not ad hom?
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Brian writes: I've shown my evidence, you just have to accept that my word is flawless, if I say they are sad, and lonely then that isn't up for debate. Brian You are supposed to say "Cheers, Brian." I get sad and lonely when you leave the word "cheers" out of your signature!
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, do you agree that believers, who are interpreting the Bible, can be wrong, because all of them are fallable?
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I think that, being human and not perfect, omnicient, not omnipotent, we are all fallable all of the time.
Remember, "fallabe" means "capable of making a mistake."
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CK Member (Idle past 4149 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: I'm not quite sure what is it - but I cannot help but notice that even the more calm and reasonable posters seem to be "acting up" more and more. Forums tend to go in cycles and we seem to be coming to one of those periods where we discuss endlessly why we are here and who should be here. Faith is a problem or rather the reactions of other posters (me included) to her, any thread she appears on seems to turn into a black hole of nonsense and sniping. That's actually not her fault but the people replying to her (and I'm one of them). I do not really see how we overcome that at this stage. The moderators have done her no favours by granting her special favourites (which she has NEVER asked for) - yes I know the rationale is so her (and those like her) viewpoint can be heard but all the other posters see is "special treatment", the rational responses seem to go out of the window at that point. How many threads do we current have running that are about Faith as opposed to any issue of substance? (and yes I know I've just added to the list ) This message has been edited by CK, 15-Sep-2005 08:28 AM
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
What I mean't was that we are all infallible when God uses us to speak truth. Since you do not believe in God, I can see your point as the logical conclusion. I will never claim to be infallible, yet I DO know that on rare occasions, God has given me the best words for a given individual which they regarded as just what they needed. Who am I to say that my advice was infallible? Perhaps someone else could have given better advice. Perhaps your point is that we are never 100%...we are always striving to get closer to that ideal.
My point is that God is always 100% and on occasion uses humans to spread wisdom and truth.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: And that, IMO, is the most dangerous part of religion.
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Is it dangerous because people use it to justify fanaticism? If so, I agree.
Is it dangerous because it is blind ignorance preventing human progress? If so, I disagree.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yep. ...or to justify enforcement of strict gender roles/abusing women, killing other people, discriminating against other people, etc. This message has been edited by schrafinator, 09-15-2005 09:51 AM
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