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NoNukes
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Message 11 of 41 (705754)
09-01-2013 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by yenmor
09-01-2013 5:35 PM


Nit pic
I have a few programs published and copyrighted.
Minor nitpick, but perhaps it might matter to you if you do any programming other than for an employer.
Every original program you've ever typed into a computer and have not explicitly placed into the public domain is protected by copyright. It does not matter whether or not you've filed anything with the copyright office.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 15 of 41 (705830)
09-02-2013 10:06 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Coyote
09-01-2013 11:12 PM


Re: Significant F-Up
Another factor: the half-life of Cs137 is just over 30 years.
That kind of half-life is a double whammy. It is short enough to make Cs-137 active and dangerous and long enough to keep Cs-137 around for long periods of time.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 20 of 41 (705859)
09-03-2013 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by yenmor
09-02-2013 10:35 PM


Naive beyond belief...
Again, I have to point to the Katrina incident. Would it be fair to say that the experts were responsible for nothing being done to prevent the levee failure?
There is plenty of blame to go around. The eventual occurrence of an earthquake of the magnitude that damaged the reactor in that area was just as certain as that a Katrina like hurricane would hit New Orleans. Yet the reactor was built there anyway. Building up the levy system in New Orleans to withstand such a flood would have taken a huge expense, and engineers take those things into account just as do politicians.
Unless you are able to point to the discussion and politics of the day in each case, you are not making your point. You are just handwaving.
not Mitt Romney.
Well, not Mitt Romney of course.
It makes no sense that people who know nothing about the respective subject should be making the decisions about it.
Many decisions are multi-discipline, with the "best" answer being highly subjective. A viable system is one where the experts inform the decision makers is often the best one. I certainly don't want the military making all of our use of force decisions.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 23 of 41 (705902)
09-03-2013 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by yenmor
09-03-2013 6:33 PM


Re: Naive beyond belief...
And yes, I don't deny that I'm nave. What's your point?
The point is that engineers make mistakes too. You have yet to show that engineers did not make the decisions that let to the locating of the Fukushima reactor, and you've simply assumed without evidence that engineers should be allowed to spend all the money necessary to make New Orleans flood proof.
Each of those decisions has financial, economic, and social impact. Why is it only the technical component that you think requires expertise?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 25 of 41 (705964)
09-04-2013 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by yenmor
09-03-2013 10:20 PM


Re: Naive beyond belief...
said I was willing to bet money that the ultimate decision behind fukushima reactor that led to the current mess was made by non-engineers because based on my experience engineers don't make the decisions.
And what was the advice of those engineers?
You didn't just speculate or bet, you went further to use the incidents as support for your proposition that engineers should be making all decisions that have a technical component.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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