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Author | Topic: God’s glitch in Eden. A & E had to break God’s second command to accomplish the first | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
GIA writes: Jar No evil side to sex. Wow. Humans doing animals is good then? You lusting after another man's woman is good? Children engaging in sex is good? Are you a pedophile? I could go on. RegardsDL First, it is jar not Jar. Second, please point out where I said any of the above. The pattern of you creating straw-men and misrepresenting what people post continues I see.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
No evil side to sex. Wow. Humans doing animals is good then? You lusting after another man's woman is good? Children engaging in sex is good? Are you a pedophile?
I could go on. Please stop, you're embarrassing yourself.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 273 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
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If they do not know what sex is, then how can they desire it. Can you desire an apple without knowing what an apple is? As to animals, they know good and evil FMPOV. Let me give you this good answer from another source. "You keep referencing the real world to make sense of the fiction, so let's explore the real world a little bit: "The following characteristics appear to be shared by humans and other mammals, including and especially the apes, monkeys, dolphins and whales: attachment and bonding, cooperation and mutual aid, sympathy and empathy, direct and indirect reciprocity, altruism and reciprocal altruism, conflict resolution and peacemaking, deception and deception detection, community concern and caring about what others think about you, and awareness of and response to the social rules of the group." - The Science of Good and Evil, Michael Shermer Altruism (biology) - Wikipedia Evolution of morality - Wikipedia Kindness and Sexual Behaviours in Bonobos - video Dailymotion Scientist Finds the Beginnings of Morality in Primate Behavior - The New York Times Morality: It's not just for humans - CNN It's not just for humans, or any number of other articles, clips, snippets and tidbits that are within the reach of a quick and simple google search. Sure, we aren't quite seeing the same degree of moral complexity here, or even necessarily reflection, but we certainly are seeing the same fundamental underlying mechanisms at work. The pertinent question is: what would we get if we added human intelligence to this equation? The psychological equivalent of Adam and Eve before the fall? I don't think so. If the capacity for real moral choice wasn't there already (and in some sense I think it's clear that it actually was), I'd say it strains credibility to suggest that it would still somehow magically be absent. My point here is that if you want to stick to referencing the real world to explain the narrative, you have to deal with the resulting considerations. In fact what's funny about this is that not only do you seem to be inserting reality into the fiction, you're inserting the fiction into reality in the form of co-opting the concept of an objective moral code (as declared by the fictional character of "the creator") to contextualize issues of morality. Isn't that a bit circular? I mean really, what is "good and evil" without that contextualization? Is it essentially any different from the social morality practiced by other mammals? " RegardsDL Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 273 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
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"Does sex and sexual desire have both a good and evil side?You will answer yes to this of course No, I won't. I'll say it depends." This I gotta see. Please tell us all what your judgement depends on and where you would say no to the question. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 273 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
jar
Notice the question marks.I never said you said it. P S. Only a really small mind would bother with the J. Now clarify your answer that there is no evil side to sex. RegardsDL
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
If they do not know what sex is, then how can they desire it. Instinct. You can get horny and have an erection before you know what sex is.
Can you desire an apple without knowing what an apple is? Babies cry because they're hungry before they develop the cognitive abilities to identify specific foods.
Sure, we aren't quite seeing the same degree of moral complexity here, or even necessarily reflection, but we certainly are seeing the same fundamental underlying mechanisms at work. Well sure, but what the fuck are you talking about? What does any of that have to do with eating from the tree of knowledge?
The pertinent question is: what would we get if we added human intelligence to this equation? The psychological equivalent of Adam and Eve before the fall? I don't think so. If the capacity for real moral choice wasn't there already (and in some sense I think it's clear that it actually was), I'd say it strains credibility to suggest that it would still somehow magically be absent. My point here is that if you want to stick to referencing the real world to explain the narrative, you have to deal with the resulting considerations. My point stands: There are animals that do not possess the cognitive abilities necessary for morality, and yet they are still capable of having sex. Therefore, those abilities are not necessary for having sex. That simple point refutes your argument.
In fact what's funny about this is that not only do you seem to be inserting reality into the fiction, you're inserting the fiction into reality in the form of co-opting the concept of an objective moral code (as declared by the fictional character of "the creator") to contextualize issues of morality. Isn't that a bit circular? I mean really, what is "good and evil" without that contextualization? Is it essentially any different from the social morality practiced by other mammals? " I don't know what you're going on about, but you've seen to abandon your original argument so I'll chalk that up as a win.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
"Does sex and sexual desire have both a good and evil side? You will answer yes to this of course No, I won't. I'll say it depends." This I gotta see. Please tell us all what your judgement depends on and where you would say no to the question. Amoral creatures desire and have sex. Say, a chicken for example. There's nothing evil about some good old fashion chicken sex.
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It is jar, not Jar.
Sex is neither good nor bad.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 273 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
"Instinct. You can get horny and have an erection before you know what sex is."
Sure but then you would not know what to do with it which was the case for A & E. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 273 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Like you did not know we were talking humans.
I have no time for your games. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 273 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Sorry you do not enjoy sex then jar.
RegardsDL
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
"Instinct. You can get horny and have an erection before you know what sex is." Sure but then you would not know what to do with it which was the case for A & E. That's an unsupported assertion that deviates from your original argument. How do you know they wouldn't know what to do with it? What makes you think they couldn't have figured it out like animals do? What does that have to do with your argument that knowledge of good and evil was a prerequisite because sex has a good and bad side?
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Again, please link to the post where I said I did not enjoy sex?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Well maybe if you used the quote function and wrote coherently, then people would be able to makes sense out of your posts.
But we were talking about humans that did not know good and evil. You're argument was that they couldn't have sex. Animals are an example of creatures that do not know good and evil but can still have sex. There's no reason to think that those humans would have been any different.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Just answer the questions in sequence. Well, the answer to the last one is that you don't need to know everything about sex in order to desire it. People can, for example, get horny without knowing the definition of maschalagnia. In fact, that would be most people. And the same goes for pretty much everyone else. Of the people who desire (for example) to eat a pineapple, only a tiny insignificant fraction know that they don't grow on trees. But they can still desire pineapples, they don't need to know all about them to do so. And knowledge of good and evil doesn't seem to have any sort of privileged status in this consideration. Perhaps pineapples are grown by slave workers and watered with the tears of orphans; or perhaps, on the contrary, all profits from the sale of pineapples go to charity. I have no idea, but I still always know whether or not I want to eat a pineapple. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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