God’s glitch in Eden. A & E had to break God’s second command to accomplish the first

God’s glitch in Eden. A & E had to break God’s second command to accomplish the first.Eden is a rather easy myth to follow if you are not a Christian and do not see a fall but the elevation that the Jews had originally written into that story. Jews thought that man having his eyes opened and gaining God’s moral sense was a good thing.Christians do not and ignore the bible that says that that moral sense is the number one priority we are supposed to be working on. Be ye as God.God told A & E to reproduce in Genesis 1. That was for the two people made of clay. Most Christians do not take the Lilith myth as real for Genesis 1 and would rather believe that God created woman as an afterthought with Adam’s rib. Dumb to dumber.Genesis 2 shows a rather stupid omission for a God who does not seem to know that a human male needs a human female to reproduce.Yet God not only failed to give Adam a mate, a glaring idiocy by any measure, until Genesis 2 but also did not give Adam the desire to reproduce till Adam gained that desire on his own by ignoring God’s immoral command to basically remain in ignorant bliss and stupid.Adam had to eat of the tree of knowledge before he could reproduce or develop the desire for reproduction and sex. After all, desires and sex both have good and evil sides so Adam could not have done either without the knowledge of good and evil.Do you recognize the truth in A & E not being able to do God’s first command to reproduce without first eating of the tree of knowledge?Adam and Eve’s eyes had to be opened before sex. And that took the knowledge encased in the tree of knowledge.Do you recognize that that is when Adam and Eve became able to reproduce or have sex because they could not desire it until after they ate of the tree of knowledge?Regards
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So then how do all the other animals have sex and reproduce if they haven't eaten from the tree of knowledge? No. I've seen a dog desire my leg. I don't see why A&E couldn't have had sexual desire without the knowledge of good and evil. They'd just be like the other animals.

I think Ayn Rand had a well-written discussion of this exact topic:

What is the nature of the guilt that your teachers call his Original Sin? What are the evils man acquired when he fell from a state they consider perfection? Their myth declares that he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledgehe acquired a mind and became a rational being. It was the knowledge of good and evilhe became a moral being. He was sentenced to earn his bread by his laborhe became a productive being. He was sentenced to experience desirehe acquired the capacity of sexual enjoyment. The evils for which they damn him are reason, morality, creativeness, joyall the cardinal values of his existence. It is not his vices that their myth of man’s fall is designed to explain and condemn, it is not his errors that they hold as his guilt, but the essence of his nature as man. Whatever he wasthat robot in the Garden of Eden, who existed without mind, without values, without labor, without lovehe was not man.

—Ayn Rand Lexicon

C S"I don't see why A&E couldn't have had sexual desire without the knowledge of good and evil. "Yes. I see that. Let me try to walk you through the logic.Does sex and sexual desire have both a good and evil side?You will answer yes to this of course.Did A & E have any knowledge of good and evil before they ate of the tree of knowledge?No.Then they could not engage in sex as it has good and evil aspects and they did not have that knowledge.Knowledge drives desire and without knowledge of sex, they could not desire it. Right?Regards
DL

CoyoteExcellent. Thanks for this.Regards
DL

No, not if you don't have knowledge of good and evil.Animals don't have that knowledge and they still have sex and sexual desire. Wrong. Instincts drive desire as well. That's why boys can get erections before they even know what sex is.Knowledge of good and evil is not required to have either sex or sexual desire.

It seems a rather tendentious argument. You don't have to know all about a thing in order to do it, or to want to do it. People could, for example, have children (and want to) before they knew about meiosis. If you applied your same reasoning, you'd come up with stuff like this: "Did people have any knowledge of good and evil before Oscar Hertwig discovered it in 1876? No. Then they could not engage in reproduction as it has meiotic aspects and they did not have that knowledge." Which is clearly not true.

I have to take issue with your attempt at a literal translation of Genesis. I'm sure by now you are tired of me not meeting your questions head on. But I don't really see an alternative here.I don't see any evidence that God commanded Adam to reproduce before he provided Adam with a mate or before Adam and Ever were kicked out of the garden.Yes, Genesis 1 does include command to be fruitful and multiply, but that command is mentioned after the statements that men and women were created. Genesis 2 adds no details that provide us with anything to counter the idea that God did things in a reasonable order. In short, there no foolproof way to merge the details of Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 to verify that God did the silly stuff you attribute to him. Perhaps a more reasonable approach would be to try to reject a fitting together that actually is logical.Further, there is absolutely no indication one way of the other regarding whether Adam and Eve had sexual relations prior to the serpent incident.It's also pretty clear that not every detail of what happened is discussed in those early chapters of Genesis. Where did all of those people come from that Cain feared would kill him after he killed his brother? Where did Enoch's wife come from?I also have to note that a literal reading of Genesis 1 and 2 makes no sense anyway and that we know stuff did not happen as described. So why nit pick these particular details?

C SNow you can speak for animals the way you speak for God. Wow.Your wealth of knowledge is astounding. When did you learn to speak to animals or do you use telepathy?Let me try to walk you through the logic.Does sex and sexual desire have both a good and evil side?You will answer yes to this of course.Did A & E have any knowledge of good and evil before they ate of the tree of knowledge?No.Then they could not engage in sex as it has good and evil aspects and they did not have that knowledge.Knowledge drives desire and without knowledge of sex, they could not desire it. Right?Regards
DL

Dr AJust answer the questions in sequence.You will get it.Regards
DLEdited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.

No.Since you can't get even the first principle right everything that follows is just bullshit.Seems there is a patter here.

N NBecause my target are literalists.I agree that the bible cannot be read literally but fools will try." Further, there is absolutely no indication one way of the other regarding whether Adam and Eve had sexual relations prior to the serpent incident."I disagree.If they would have then they would not have suddenly covered up their genitals after their eyes were opened.That term is saying that they went from innocence to knowledge that they did not have before.Why else would they suddenly cover up?Regards
DL

JarNo evil side to sex. Wow.Humans doing animals is good then?You lusting after another man's woman is good?Children engaging in sex is good?Are you a pedophile?I could go on.Regards
DL

I speak for neither animals nor god. Is English not your first language? Well, maybe you're easily surprised. No, I use observation. You've seen animals, yes? Do you know how they reproduce? Its through sexual intercourse.Now, do animals have the knowledge of good and evil? No, they don't. So how could they have sex if the knowledge of good and evil is required for it? Your logic is faulty and has lead you to a false conclusion. No, I won't. I'll say it depends. Engaging in sex does not require knowledge of good and evil. Otherwise, animals that do not have that knowledge could not have sex. Absolutely wrong. Again, we can observe that people have sexual desire before they have knowledge of what sex is.When your conclusion contradicts observed reality, it is your conclusion that is wrong.