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ringo Member (Idle past 578 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Ed67 writes:
I'd like to know who "designed" the pothole in front of my house. The ice is moulded so nicely to fit it.
Yes, and the information in the mould was put there by an intelligent designer.
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frako Member (Idle past 472 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
The word code , and information on that link are used so people like you can have an easier grasp at what's going on. Not because its a code that says build a protein like this, its just chemical reactions if you claim those are because of some code then so must be all the rest. And we live in a matrix like universe.
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3495 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
frako writes:
The word code , and information on that link are used so people like you can have an easier grasp at what's going on. Not because its a code that says build a protein like this, its just chemical reactions if you claim those are because of some code then so must be all the rest. And we live in a matrix like universe.And what did University of Washington researchers mean when they use the word "code" in this 2013 research report? quote:Scientists discover double meaning in genetic code | UW News Edited by Ed67, : No reason given. Edited by Ed67, : No reason given.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1421 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Ed, are you familiar with the Dunning Kruger effect? You might want to look into it.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined:
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There are other concepts on that page relevant to Ed.
quote: Personally, I'm mortified."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Could define in your own words what CSI is, please? The implication I'm getting from poster is that you cannot do so and I would like to see you prove them wrong.
All the best.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3495 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
Larni writes: Could define in your own words what CSI is, please? The implication I'm getting from poster is that you cannot do so and I would like to see you prove them wrong.All the best. As I've already explained, I don't invoke any special meaning by using the term. I simply mean information which is complex and specified. I've already walked you through the definitions of the terms. Any implication that I have not done so is false. Try to keep up, please. Edited by Ed67, : No reason given. Edited by Ed67, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1571 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... I simply mean information which is complex and specified. ... Well that is a start. Like:
Of course if the hours were sunrise to sunset it would be even more complex specified information (an increase in quantity but not quality). Note it is written in code ...
... I simply mean information which is complex and specified. ... Like the information to form complex salt crystals in specified formations. Can you please elucidate in your own words any part of DNA function or existence that does not involve chemical bonds and chemical reactions in accordance with the rules of chemistry? It appears you are having a little bit of trouble grasping this simple concept ... Can you please elucidate in your own words any specific difference in quality rather than quantity between DNA and salt molecules? Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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JonF Member (Idle past 334 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
And what did University of Washington researchers mean when they use the word "code" in this 2013 research report?
quote: The standard meaning... the "rules" "imposed" by natural chemical reactions that govern the translation from DNA to protein. There's no code in DNA, and the "genetic code" is just chemistry. Cool and complex chemistry, but just chemistry.
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JonF Member (Idle past 334 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
As I've already explained, I don't invoke any special meaning by using the term. I simply mean information which is complex and specified The definitions you have offered are useless. They involve too many subjective evaluations and are not operational definitions. Two people could easily disagree whether some system possesses CSI because your definitions do not invoke objective measures. Fail. {ABE} Your definitions boil down to "it sure looks like CSI to me!" Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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Capt Stormfield Member Posts: 429 From: Vancouver Island Joined: |
And what did University of Washington researchers mean when they use the word "code" in this 2013 research report? quote:Since the genetic code was deciphered in the 1960s, scientists have assumed that it was used exclusively to write information about proteins. UW scientists were stunned to discover that genomes use the genetic code to write two separate languages. One describes how proteins are made, and the other instructs the cell on how genes are controlled. One language is written on top of the other, which is why the second language remained hidden for so long. Page not found | University of Washington You really and truly should try to understand 2 simple ideas: metaphor and equivocation. Your apparent inability to recognize either of these concepts in the wild is causing you to look like a troll.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1571 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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The definitions you have offered are useless. They involve too many subjective evaluations and are not operational definitions. Two people could easily disagree whether some system possesses CSI because your definitions do not invoke objective measures. Information that is complex and specified ... ... applies to everything, from the smallest known subatomic particle to the largest black hole. Without it there would be only one uniform sameness. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Could you link me to the post where you have done so, please?
All the best.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3495 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
THIS is priceless
Capt writes: And what did University of Washington researchers mean when they use the word "code" in this 2013 research report? quote:Since the genetic code was deciphered in the 1960s, scientists have assumed that it was used exclusively to write information about proteins. UW scientists were stunned to discover that genomes use the genetic code to write two separate languages. One describes how proteins are made, and the other instructs the cell on how genes are controlled. One language is written on top of the other, which is why the second language remained hidden for so long. Page not found | University of Washington You really and truly should try to understand 2 simple ideas: metaphor and equivocation. Your apparent inability to recognize either of these concepts in the wild is causing you to look like a troll. Ok, , let me get this straight:You claim that the researchers at the University of Washington were METAPHORICALLY EQUIVOCATING when they wrote their papers about their recent research findings.
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Capt Stormfield Member Posts: 429 From: Vancouver Island Joined: |
Half right, as befits your wit.
The researchers, like all scientists, are using metaphor when they describe DNA as a code. You are equivocating in most your attempts to herd reality off a cliff with language. And thank you for affirming the inverse relationship between use of smilies and "interesting".
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