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Tangle
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Message 45 of 169 (701744)
06-25-2013 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Faith
06-25-2013 12:57 PM


Re: The first to see Jesus after He'd risen
Faith writes:
Different emphases are not contradictions. There is no problem with an inerrant Bible including variations in the details of events. All of them are true, they just occurred at different times and the different reporters remembered different aspects of them.
Have you thought about a career in law or politics?

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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Message 49 of 169 (701777)
06-26-2013 4:23 AM
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06-26-2013 4:13 AM


Re: The first to see Jesus after He'd risen

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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Message 128 of 169 (702365)
07-05-2013 1:06 AM
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07-05-2013 12:45 AM


Re: Agony
qs writes:
I refer to an objective reality,
If that was actually true, we'd all believe the same thing wouldn't we? You'd be able to say - 'here it is, see, I told you'. Just like you you can say 'here's my chair, I told you I had one, now do you believe me?' That's what the words 'objective' and 'reality' mean.
Long past time I realized the hatred of God here is so dug in there's just no point in continuing to try to get across the truth.
No-one here hates God. You can't hate someting that doesn't exist. What we hate is your idea of what you think your god is. And more importantly we hate what often happens when people believe in such dangerous fantasies.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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Message 130 of 169 (702367)
07-05-2013 1:17 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by Faith
07-05-2013 1:10 AM


Re: Agony
faith writes:
You've confused "objective reality" with material reality.
objective (b-jktv)
adj.
1. Of or having to do with a material object.
2. Having actual existence or reality.
3.
a. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic. See Synonyms at fair1.
b. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal.
4. Medicine Indicating a symptom or condition perceived as a sign of disease by someone other than the person affected.
5. Grammar
a. Of, relating to, or being the case of a noun or pronoun that serves as the object of a verb.
b. Of or relating to a noun or pronoun used in this case.
n.
1. Something that actually exists.
2. Something worked toward or striven for; a goal. See Synonyms at intention.
3. Grammar
a. The objective case.
b. A noun or pronoun in the objective case.
4. The lens or lens system in a microscope or other optical instrument that first receives light rays from the object and forms the image. Also called object glass, objective lens, object lens.
objectively adv.
objectiveness n.
As we keep saying, words have meanings - you can't make them up like your god - see 3a.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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Tangle
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Message 132 of 169 (702369)
07-05-2013 1:45 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by Faith
07-05-2013 1:28 AM


Re: Agony
Show me your chair and I will sit on it, until then, you're just making stuff up in your head.
That's called subjective and unreal.
subjective [suhb-jek-tiv] Show IPA
adjective
1.
existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought (opposed to objective ).
2.
pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual: a subjective evaluation.
3.
placing excessive emphasis on one's own moods, attitudes, opinions, etc.; unduly egocentric.
4.
Philosophy . relating to or of the nature of an object as it is known in the mind as distinct from a thing in itself.
5.
relating to properties or specific conditions of the mind as distinguished from general or universal experience.
unreal (n-rl, -rl)
adj.
1. Not real or substantial; illusory.
2. Slang So remarkable as to elicit disbelief; fantastic.
3. Surreal.
Words have meanings.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

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Message 134 of 169 (702371)
07-05-2013 2:29 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by Faith
07-05-2013 2:09 AM


Re: Agony
faith writes:
Oh you'll rant and deny it of course, but on what grounds? Nothing but YOUR subjective need to disbelieve what I'm saying.
The existence or otherwise of your chair can be objectively proven, it is real. I do not have to believe you. The existence of your god can not be objectively proven; it's a subjective judgement whether I believe you or not.
By using the word 'belief', you prove that what you are talking about is both subjective and unreal.
It's been fascinating watching you try to make opposite words mean the same; objective=subjective and real=unreal. But I'm done with this sillyness now.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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