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Author Topic:   Is it egotistical to think that a God would die for you?
Heathen
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Message 6 of 169 (700526)
06-04-2013 3:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
05-31-2013 1:09 PM


God would die for you
wait.. have I missed something?
is God dead?

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Heathen
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Message 8 of 169 (700626)
06-05-2013 7:36 AM
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05-31-2013 1:09 PM


So, God, the eternal, all powerful, superbeing, sacrificed his earthly avatar (Jesus), who had to quit his transient, earthly existance to return to heaven to continue to live for all eternity.
"Sacrifice"? doesn't sound like it.
"die"? ummm... nope.

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Heathen
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Message 15 of 169 (701066)
06-11-2013 7:25 AM
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06-06-2013 7:45 PM


Damn! is there a railing somewhere i can leave flowers/tie a teddybear to?

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Heathen
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Message 19 of 169 (701337)
06-17-2013 10:43 AM
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06-17-2013 10:05 AM


Re: Perspective
Well of course I'm trying to imagine it from a god perspective..
How else do I determine whether or not what is alleged to have happened might affect a god?
Incidentally you are doing the same by claiming that to suffer human frailty would be sacrificial for god.
My point stands though, for an eternal all powerful being, 30-odd years is a negligible timeframe to experience pain. no, or negligible sacrifice involved and certainly not death in any meaningful sense.

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Heathen
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Message 26 of 169 (701483)
06-20-2013 4:43 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Faith
06-19-2013 1:34 PM


Re: The Trinity
so it's right to say that God died for us; but God the Father sent Him to die for us
So.. is God the son, Jesus, dead? or did he ascend into heaven to sit at the right hand of the father? in which case he is alive?
did he cease to exist at any point? or was he always alive in some eternal otherworldly sense?
If he suffered a bit of a beating, crucifixion, died for 3 days and then came back and continued with his eternal existance, it wasn't really a "death" was it, or much of a sacrifice.

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Heathen
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Message 28 of 169 (701486)
06-20-2013 5:37 AM
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06-20-2013 5:04 AM


Re: The Trinity
In Jesus' case His spirit is divine and couldn't die for that
so his earthly "death" was no kind of sacrifice in the grand scheme of things. Seems to me no more than a kid playing a computer game, and their avatar "dies" in the game, but the person/controller does not, they can simply restart as and when required.
He was absolutely totally dead
oh.. wait... so he did die?
He had to take the sins of humanity onto Himself and die FOR those sins
Except as you've said above.. he didn't die.. did he? only his temporary, human host did. god/jesus/whatever remained very much alive, just not on earth.
As scripture says
so scripture is true because scripture says so... don't you ever see the problem with that?
The whole idea of jesus' death being a sacrifice just doesn't wash. (Before we even attempt the logical gymnastics required to explain how this supposed act therefore allows believers entry to the afterlife.)... oh wait.. what's that? My puny mind couldn't understand? so I should just accept scripture as truth? anything else I should just accept?

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Heathen
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Message 42 of 169 (701725)
06-25-2013 2:36 AM
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06-20-2013 7:31 AM


Re: The Trinity
His HUMAN BODY died,
so.. not really much of a sacrifice for an eternal being is it?

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Heathen
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Message 43 of 169 (701726)
06-25-2013 2:40 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Faith
06-21-2013 2:35 AM


Re: The first to see Jesus after He'd risen
and are the sort of thing different reporters are likely to remember differently, or simply choose to report with different emphases
unless of course they are guided by the holy spirit to write the inerrant word of god...
Then these "incidentals" start to make a few holes in the substance of your text.
ABE:
As GDR has said more than once, this sort of discrepancy should work to the credibility of the gospels because it is realistic. To include such incidental detail at all is a mark of reality, not of myth, and the differences add to the reality
It does not add to the credibility of your claim that the bible is an INERRANT, divinely inspired text though.. does it? you can't have it both ways. Either the bible is inerrant truth and the word of god and therefore should not contradict itself, or, it is is the fallible word of fallible men and therefore cannot be taken as truth. pick a side and stick with it.
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Edited by Heathen, : spelling

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Heathen
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Message 47 of 169 (701774)
06-26-2013 2:52 AM
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06-26-2013 2:32 AM


Re: The first to see Jesus after He'd risen
A lot of the infidels who attack scripture have as a motive discrediting it. They are not honestly seeking to understand scripture---they already have their minds made up that God isnt real.
And you already have your mind made up that god is real. on what basis?
I come from the stand point that there is no god until i see evidence to the contrary, so, yes. My mind, at the moment, is made up, there is no evidence, not one single shred of evidence for the existence of god so I work on the premise there is no god. Got anything that will change my mind?? anything at all?
Scripture has been shown to be misguided, inaccurate, misleading and frankly ridiculous. Current [scientific] knowledge debunks much of what is contained therein.

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Heathen
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Message 107 of 169 (702186)
07-02-2013 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Phat
07-02-2013 2:23 AM


Re: Let's go get stoned.
...infidels who attack scripture have as a motive discrediting it...
...you by nature hate the idea of God...
...The same stubborn nature that was in the men who stoned Stephen is in the minds and hearts of many self proclaimed intellectuals to this day. Reject the truth and embrace reality as you determine it. Sad mistake....
...the serpent whispering "the truth" in your ear yet again...
...But of course you have allowed intellectual humanists with no god in their heart apart from human wisdom convince you that Jesus was never a Messiah rejected by Israel. Thus I can see your confusion....
I'm sensing a real shift towards fundamentalism in your posts, you're sounding/reading more like Faith every day

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