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Author Topic:   Conspiracy Theories: It's all in your mind!
Phat
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Message 121 of 137 (849636)
03-16-2019 2:43 PM
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03-16-2019 2:31 PM


Re: Here is a Conspiracy Theory from the Secular Humanist Website
Kinda makes you wonder why they insisted that Gods name be placed on money.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
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Message 122 of 137 (849637)
03-16-2019 3:21 PM
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03-16-2019 2:43 PM


Re: Here is a Conspiracy Theory from the Secular Humanist Website
Prosperity theology.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Phat
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Message 123 of 137 (898237)
09-21-2022 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by ringo
03-15-2019 1:46 PM


Truth? Or Simply Conservative Propaganda?
ringo writes:
What kind of idiot gets their news from social media?
*looks nervously around while whistling Dixie*
I just saw one on YouTube yesterday. Of course, it was narrated by Jim Rickards, whom I patronize by buying his books occasionally. He is one of the You Tubians who I am accused of getting all my information, but I trust his credentials to a degree.
Bio from Wiki
quote:
Rickards graduated from Lower Cape May Regional High School in Cape May, New Jersey, in 1969.[2] He graduated from Johns Hopkins University in 1973 with a Bachelor of Arts degree with honors, and in 1974, from the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies in Washington, D.C. with an M.A. in international economics. He received his Juris Doctor from the University of Pennsylvania Law School and an Master of Laws in taxation from New York University School of Law.[3]
He has held senior positions at Citibank, Long-Term Capital Management, and Caxton Associates.[4] As general counsel for the hedge fund Long-Term Capital Management (LTCM),[5] he successfully negotiated the US$3.6 billion rescue of the firm via the US Federal Reserve in 1998.[6] Rickards worked on Wall Street for 35 years.[7] Later, Rickards became the senior managing director at Tangent Capital Partners LLC, a merchant bank based in New York City,[8] and also the senior managing director for market intelligence at Omnis, Inc.,[9] a technical, professional and scientific consulting firm in McLean, VA.[3] On March 24, 2009, Rickards presented his view at a symposium at Johns Hopkins University, that the U.S. dollar was facing imminent hyperinflation and was vulnerable to attack from foreign governments through the accumulation of gold and the establishment of a new global currency.[10]
On September 10, 2009, Rickards testified before the U.S. House Science Subcommittee on Oversight about the risks of financial modeling, value at risk, and the 2008 financial crisis.[11]
He has also claimed he advised the U.S. Department of Defense, the U.S. intelligence community, and major hedge funds on global financial issues, and has served as a facilitator of the first ever financial war games conducted by The Pentagon. He also guest-lectures at The Kellogg School at Northwestern University and the School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University.[8] He states he was on the Advisory Board of the Center on Sanctions & Illicit Finance, a former organization within the Right-Wing think-tank and lobbying organization, the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD) in Washington DC.[4]

Anyway, Rickard's latest claim is that Digital Currency is being pushed--and pushed quickly--by the Biden administration. Nicknamed "Biden Bucks" this nefarious digital dollar will enable every user to be tracked and their purchases monitored. Of course for a fee, he offers a solution to this mess--which I won't swallow hook, line, and sinker.
I DO worry whether there is a need for concern regarding this governmental control and intrusion into my life. Yes, it will help corral people (*cough* Conservatives *cough*) who attempt to illegally stash money, but it will also force the average Joe to never be able to buy a precious metal or even sell a used car (apart from barter) without being digitally traced.
This all got on the fast track due to Executive Order 14067.
Rickards writes:
Update: It is underway. On March 9, Biden signed Executive Order 14067, which could pave the way for the new US currency I call Biden Bucks. AOC tweeted her support. Dems could use this to hold onto power indefinitely.
Now...I'm not so worried about Dems holding on to power, though there is a related conservative charge that illegal aliens are streaming into the US at historic rates, and that among them are individuals from as far away as Pakistan. Apart from tilting the voter ranks towards favoring Democrats, which is far from conclusive, the worry is for the safety of the US mainland in general.
Of course its controversial.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Theodoric
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Message 124 of 137 (898238)
09-21-2022 11:38 AM
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03-16-2019 1:46 PM


Re: Here is a Conspiracy Theory from the Secular Humanist Website
Faith used to think that the liberals blamed Trump for everything. Some liberals did.
Some conservatives think they should be able to enslave other humans.
See what I did.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 125 of 137 (898240)
09-21-2022 12:02 PM
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03-16-2019 2:43 PM


Re: Here is a Conspiracy Theory from the Secular Humanist Website
Who are they?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 126 of 137 (898243)
09-21-2022 12:42 PM
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09-21-2022 12:02 PM


Re: Here is a Conspiracy Theory from the Secular Humanist Website
Theodoric writes:
Who are they?
I watch conservative, mainstream, and foreign (BBC and Al Jazeera) News outlets. "They" refer to varied groups and ideologies based on the media.
Take the Marthas Vineyard fiasco (and political stunt, in my opinion) Several "theys" are mentioned in media that Ive listened to. According to our conservative loudmouth Tucker Carlson, the enslaved ones are the "poor immigrants who are now under police control. He accuses "they"...the wealthy liberals on Martha Vineyard, of calling in the army to get them out of town. Of course, Tucker represents conservatism.
Theodoric writes:
Some conservatives think they should be able to enslave other humans.
See what Tucker did? He blamed the wealthy liberals for shunning the aliens. He claims that Martha Vineyard could have absorbed them but the "wealthy liberals" said NIMBY.(Not In My Backyard.) I would not be happy if homeless people started camping out near my house, so I can see the argument to a degree. Several questions, though.
  • WHO sent these aliens to Martha Vineyard? Was it simply a political stunt?
  • Are there not also Conservatives who live in Marthas Vineyard? Is Tucker implying that only liberals live there? Or is he pretending to have empathy for the aliens?

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Theodoric
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    Message 127 of 137 (898247)
    09-21-2022 1:07 PM
    Reply to: Message 126 by Phat
    09-21-2022 12:42 PM


    Re: Here is a Conspiracy Theory from the Secular Humanist Website
    The they I am referring to in the first comment.
    Kinda makes you wonder why they insisted that Gods name be placed on money.
    Posting one reply to multiple comments that are vastly different is extremely disingenuous. Trying to combine my posts to make me look inconsistent just makes you look like the deceptive, untrustworthy person you have become.

    What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

    Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

    "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

    If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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    Message 128 of 137 (898250)
    09-21-2022 1:17 PM
    Reply to: Message 126 by Phat
    09-21-2022 12:42 PM


    Re: Here is a Conspiracy Theory from the Secular Humanist Website
    quote:
    Take the Marthas Vineyard fiasco (and political stunt, in my opinion) Several "theys" are mentioned in media that Ive listened to. According to our conservative loudmouth Tucker Carlson, the enslaved ones are the "poor immigrants who are now under police control. He accuses "they"...the wealthy liberals on Martha Vineyard, of calling in the army to get them out of town. Of course, Tucker represents conservatism.
    Tucker Carlson is so dishonest his own employers won’t call his product “news”..Martha’s Vineyard is a resort, which doesn’t ave the facilities to handle immigrants. The people who live and work there aren’t rich. But they helped the poor immigrants. And the defrauded immigrants got taken to places which can support them better.
    quote:
    WHO sent these aliens to Martha Vineyard? Was it simply a political stunt?
    Ron DiSantis, Republican Governor of Florida. But he got them from Texas. And fraudulently convinced them to go to Martha’s Vineyard.

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    Message 129 of 137 (898253)
    09-21-2022 1:26 PM
    Reply to: Message 126 by Phat
    09-21-2022 12:42 PM


    Re: Here is a Conspiracy Theory from the Secular Humanist Website
    WHO sent these aliens to Martha Vineyard? Was it simply a political stunt?
    Ron DeSatan the governor of Florida sent asylum seekers in Texas to Martha's Vineyard.

    Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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    ringo
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    Message 130 of 137 (898261)
    09-21-2022 3:55 PM
    Reply to: Message 123 by Phat
    09-21-2022 11:24 AM


    Re: Truth? Or Simply Conservative Propaganda?
    Phat writes:
    ... this nefarious digital dollar will enable every user to be tracked and their purchases monitored.
    That started long before Biden. When my brother died in 2015 I was surprised to see that his bank statements reported every cup of coffee and every sandwich he bought. And it goes back long before that. Doesn't Safeway have a "loyalty card"? Those were started decades ago so they could monitor what products you buy, when you buy them, etc. so that you could be targeted for the appropriate flyers and promotions. They've been doing it as long as they could.
    Any time you hear something like "Biden Bucks" you should run screaming in the opposite direction.
    Phat writes:
    I DO worry whether there is a need for concern regarding this governmental control and intrusion into my life.
    Again, it isn't the government; It's business. The government doesn't have to scam you out of your money; they can just take it.
    Phat writes:
    ... it will also force the average Joe to never be able to buy a precious metal or even sell a used car (apart from barter) without being digitally traced.
    It HAS been digitally traced ever since the digits have been electronic. It has nothing to do with Biden.
    (I notice that your latest goober named Rickards mentions "AOC". I have to look that up every time I see it. Why do you right-wing nuts hate her so much?)

    "Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
    What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
    It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
    Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
    -- Leningrad Cowboys

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    ringo
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    Message 131 of 137 (898262)
    09-21-2022 4:03 PM
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    Re: Here is a Conspiracy Theory from the Secular Humanist Website
    Phat writes:
    WHO sent these aliens to Martha Vineyard? Was it simply a political stunt?
    The way it sounded to me is that Republican governors wanted "liberal" jurisdictions to handle the problem that the feds didn't handle. (Maybe they wanted the feds to shoot the immigrants at the border).
    It's a vile game to play with people's lives.

    "Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
    What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
    It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
    Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
    -- Leningrad Cowboys

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    Message 132 of 137 (898269)
    09-21-2022 4:47 PM
    Reply to: Message 127 by Theodoric
    09-21-2022 1:07 PM


    Re: Here is a Conspiracy Theory from the Secular Humanist Website
    please stop. You are such an old whiner that it is tiresome.
    Note that the comment you replied to was posted on 3/16/2019! How the hell was I supposed to know that you ignored my post from today and were replying to that? Grow up and learn to get along with people who don't agree with you rather than harping on them in order to reinforce your inferiority complex.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 133 of 137 (898272)
    09-21-2022 5:15 PM
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    09-21-2022 4:03 PM


    Re: Here is a Conspiracy Theory from the Secular Humanist Website
    ringo writes:
    It's a vile game to play with people's lives.
    Agreed. Likely they thought that the liberals in power wanted to park all of the immigrants in poorer conservative towns so they shipped them to a wealthier town to prove a point.
    I live in a closed retirement community with rules. If they shipped a bunch of people here, we would likely not open our patio doors to them. For one thing, old Biden is now not classifying anyone as illegal and seemingly wants to invite the poor disenfranchised masses of the whole world in. Conservatives claim that it becomes a security issue as well as a burden on the US.
    Denying Reality on Immigration
    quote:
    DHS statistics show that from Biden’s Inauguration Day through May 2022—just 16 months and change—about 1.05 million migrants were apprehended on the southwestern border and then released into the U.S. That’s more than were apprehended on that border and released into the U.S. during the four years from Fiscal Year 2017 through Fiscal Year 2020. Under Biden, authorities have detained and released into the U.S. about 2,200 migrants a day on average—four times as many as the approximately 550 per day apprehended and released during the eight fiscal years preceding Biden. And these tallies don’t include unaccompanied minors, let alone the unknown sums of people who have evaded capture.
    Now, I can understand why we need more people. Somebody has to work to pay my social security, for one thing.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Message 134 of 137 (898275)
    09-21-2022 5:58 PM
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    09-21-2022 5:15 PM


    Re: Here is a Conspiracy Theory from the Secular Humanist Website
    Somebody has to work to pay my social security, for one thing.
    In a discussion here a few years ago -- I think Faith was involved -- discussion brought up a resource (OK, I seem to recall that I myself had found it) that compared on a state-by-state basis what undocumented people drew from the community (eg, "welfare" which they're not eligible for anyway) versus what they contribute. Basically, as I recall, each state compared the taxes received from the undocumented and the services they received. What was found was that not only were those figures not out of line with the same figures for citizens, but they were actually paying more in taxes than they were getting back in benefits.
    Part of that was the black market in fake Social Security numbers (SSN, which I only know as a military abbreviation). An undocumented worker could get a fake SSN so that his employer could go through the motions of operating legitimately -- some employers, such as Trump properties, would obtain those fake SSNs for those workers. That meant that FICA deductions (Social Security and Medicare) would be taken out of the workers' pay (7.5% match by the employer for a total of 15%). However, there is a catch: those workers, because their SSNs are fake, can never collect those benefits.
    That means that those undocumented workers using fake SSNs are indeed paying for your own Social Security but not for their own.
    That should make you happy.

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    Message 135 of 137 (898290)
    09-21-2022 9:59 PM
    Reply to: Message 132 by Phat
    09-21-2022 4:47 PM


    Phat the troll
    I noticed the post because you zombied the thread. You responded to a 2019 post because you have to resurrect settled threads. Fuck you for accusing me of what you do. Fuck off you persistent and amoral troll.

    What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

    Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

    "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

    If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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