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Author Topic:   Conspiracy Theories: It's all in your mind!
NoNukes
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Message 10 of 137 (699914)
05-28-2013 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Dogmafood
05-28-2013 1:49 AM


Re: How can you tell?
As soon as you say 'It's a conspiracy!' about 98% of your audience completely tunes you out. So even if you have a valid point like 'why can't I see a picture of a jetliner flying into the pentagon?' it can be dismissed as just part of a crazy conspiracy theory.
The missing video is a part of a crazy conspiracy theory. I'm not going to imbed the video, but yes the jetliner was photographed flying into the Pentagon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzFqXbfv_yg
When I was working in DC (2004-2011) I used to ride public transportation that stopped at the Pentagon on it's way downtown. I have heard about dozens of conspiracy theories during my commute. People working at the Pentagon were generally amused by the stories. My impression is that it takes little to no real information to trigger conspiracy theorists into concocting some of the wildest nonsense.
There was also a member of the church I attended who actually worked at the Pentagon on the side on which the jet struck. At the time I met him, which was about 10 years after 9-11, he was still exhibiting some trauma about the event which visibly worsened on each anniversary of the event.
The 9-11 conspiracy stories that claim that no jet hit the Pentagon are rightly mocked and ridiculed. Quite frankly, they would be rightly mocked even if no video were available. It's not the implausible that there weren't any undestroyed video cameras to capture the crash.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 50 of 137 (700202)
05-31-2013 3:24 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by PaulK
05-29-2013 1:43 PM


Re: How can you tell?
Dumb repetition of stuff already covered.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 63 of 137 (700317)
06-01-2013 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Percy
06-01-2013 6:34 AM


Re: A Test Subject
How come they don't continue the "repeated reassessments of information" in light of the lack of emerging evidence?
Because the conspiracy theorists are convinced the stuff that does not have an airtight fit is the evidence, while everything that does fit is manufactured government MIB conspiracy. And boy can these theorists find 'cracks'.
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight77/passengers.html
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Is it a just coincidence the most of the passengers on Flight 77 with military backgrounds were Navy and that the crash at the Pentagon happened in the Navy's command center which took the heaviest casualties?
Yeah, I'm sure this is a coincidence. It's not like there are a dozen service branches to pick from. But to this guy, there is something absolutely sinister about the number of Navy victims compared to the other branches of service.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 68 of 137 (700338)
06-02-2013 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Dogmafood
06-02-2013 3:13 AM


Re: A Test Subject
I tend to reassess my evaluations when new evidence does emerge not when it fails to emerge.
You will never change your mind about Flight 77 not hitting the Pentagon. Not ever. You are already convinced. You may even have locked on to an alternative scenario that is way more poorly evidenced than is the official version.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 79 of 137 (700387)
06-02-2013 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Dogmafood
06-02-2013 4:05 PM


Re: A Test Subject
You see I never claimed that it didn't.
Yes, you've been quite coy about that. On the other hand, we are talking about an event witnessed by about a dozen people, the witnesses including at least a few people who saw the AA markings on the plane.
So if you think there is some doubt about whether a plane hit the Pentagon, then you are talking about a conspiracy. I don't have to wait for you to say those words directly.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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