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ramoss
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Message 241 of 252 (293324)
03-08-2006 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by Faith
03-07-2006 11:37 AM


Re: what we find attractive
Actually, you have it exactly 100% wrong.
His conclusions are not based on evolution. Evolution is the conclusion based on the facts.
It is fantasy to assume that the conclusion comes first. That is what you're doing.
To make matters worse, you are taking your preassumptions, based on your particualr interpetation of a book written 3500 years ago that was never meant to be a science book. Any evidence that contradicts this ancient writing, based on your personal interpetation, is immediately discounted as 'fantasy'.
In my opinion, THAT has all the earmarks of a mental disorder. It certainly has a certain disconnect with reality.

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1.61803
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Message 242 of 252 (293332)
03-08-2006 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by ramoss
03-08-2006 2:12 PM


Re: what we find attractive
Hi Ramoss,
I find it amusing that Fredick Neitzche wrote that Humans are neurotic apes.

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Silent H
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Message 243 of 252 (293355)
03-08-2006 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by 1.61803
03-08-2006 12:49 PM


My point was that some people find asymmetry in art beautiful and therefore art was a bad analogy.
Yeah, but here's the deal. Look at the studies on symmetry and you'll likely find that it was not 1:1 correlation. The "universality" is actually just a correlation of some kind throughout different sets of subjects, that may be significant but not iron clad. Some chose for less symmetry. It'd be interesting to see if they like less symmetry or lack a symmetrical preference in other aesthetic realms.
Have you looked at how Picasso saw women? Tell me he was looking for symmetry.

holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

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1.61803
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Message 244 of 252 (293389)
03-08-2006 4:52 PM
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03-08-2006 3:17 PM


Holmes...are you going to keep baiting me into off topic stuff?
You know better. I think the admins need to give you a time out. lol. My Point exactley about Carlos Picasso btw. Some find that asymetrical potraits of woman beautiful, but when was the last time you had sex with a painting?

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crashfrog
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Message 245 of 252 (293402)
03-08-2006 5:26 PM
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03-08-2006 4:52 PM


My Point exactley about Carlos Picasso btw.
Pablo Picasso was the painter. Although I think you guys are a bit off-base; Picasso's work explored composition, not symmetry. His famous abstract portraits of women were experiments in evoking the same kind of response people have to conventional portraiture without actually painting a portrait; Picasso was attempting to explore how response to art could be divorced from the response to the subject matter of the art. (For instance, if you see a still life of a bowl of oranges and you like it, is it because the painting is a good painting, or because oranges are delicious?)
One of the watershed moments in my life was a tour of the Picasso museum in Barcelona and seeing Picasso's early mastery of entirely conventional portraiture and impressionism. I saw for the first time that Picasso wasn't just some pretentious twit who scribbled on a canvas and conned art snobs into thinking he was hot shit; he first mastered the technical art of traditional painting and then, like some kind of artist-scientist, began to explore exactly how art evokes, and what it evokes, apart from the subject matter itself.

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ramoss
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Message 246 of 252 (293476)
03-08-2006 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by 1.61803
03-08-2006 2:22 PM


Re: what we find attractive
He might be right about that. Then again, I never did a study to find out how neurotic other primates are in comparison to humans.

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1.61803
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Message 247 of 252 (293633)
03-09-2006 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 246 by ramoss
03-08-2006 8:56 PM


Re: what we find attractive
Hi Ramoss,
I think F. Neitzche's point was that humans seem to be the only creatures who sit around with exisitential angst. My dog could give two shits about why he is here and what the meaning of life is. I believe the Garden of Eden story is an example of primival man going from a simple daily existance to some further awareness about the WHY of everything. The tree of knowlege of good and evil being the difference between not having any distinction from the behaviors we have; to human beings establishing the concept of morality. "they saw they're nakedness and were ashamed." Although I can not read a ape or monkey's mind and know for certain if they are worrying about whether or not there is a reason de entre' , I personally get the impression they are perhaps more concerned about picking they're ass and finding some leaves to munch on.

"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

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1.61803
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Message 248 of 252 (293636)
03-09-2006 11:48 AM
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03-08-2006 5:26 PM


Pablo, of course. Thanks I pulled Carlos out of left field.
I am in no way able to remark on your comments since I am somewhat ignorant in the study of Picasso. I did get to view some of his work at a exhibit at the Venetian Hotel in Las Vegas.

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nator
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Message 249 of 252 (294306)
03-11-2006 3:07 PM
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03-08-2006 10:43 AM


quote:
No one wants a mate that is unkept, malnutritioned and possibly has diseases.
Excepting fashion models, of course.

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Phat
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Message 250 of 252 (311030)
05-11-2006 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by Trump won
02-26-2006 4:19 PM


Re: What struck me
Reality is playing the Banjo. (Good pic, by the way)

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Phat
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Message 251 of 252 (311038)
05-11-2006 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Adminnemooseus
02-14-2006 5:02 PM


a lot of "flame war" potential here
Lets talk about belief systems for a moment. Say we have a forum where the administrators, computer geeks all, like to archive the forum information.
OK. Practical to a point, right?
But what if every little tidbit of info gets archived? For example, back in October of 2002, some Bible Thumper named Gods Army posts a PNT that is titled Satan is the ACLU. He gets rejected, and his 3 post inane rambling is preserved in archives for all eternity.
My analysis? Saving such stuff amounts to an obsessive/compulsive disorder.
If I were a newbie browsing the internet, and I came upon EvC Forum.net and I wanted to find good topics on creation/evolution, I would not want to sift through 15 pages of topics of which perhaps only a third actually contain any useful information.
In short, one mans sincere belief and reasoning is another mans perception of an obsession and a mental disorder....(no matter what the belief! )

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Damouse
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Message 252 of 252 (315487)
05-26-2006 7:54 PM
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05-11-2006 12:41 PM


Re: a lot of "flame war" potential here
but what defines your reasoning? Your reasoning must be based on something, and thats the argument. The "something" must be concrete, even if the idea is wrong.

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