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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3457 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
Lists like redseal's are usually all I get for an answer aside from the one you mentioned where Christ is the bridge.
Unfortunately, specifics on what and how never come to light. If nothing comes to light in the next few days we can discuss your path to discovery, which sounds like the path I'm on. "The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Romans 2:14-16:
When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves. They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all. These verses do not say that human conscience reveals God. The context says that even people who do not know God naturally have a sense of morality -- something that I have seen some fundamentalists deny.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3457 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
Since no one cared to explain how we are to get to know God, I think we could use this thread as a place for iano to provide a model for seeking God.
iano writes: From Atheism isn't a Belief ThreadFirst a model designed to collect evidence > then apply model > then evaluate evidence if it comes. That is the logical sequence. Discussion of evidence needs evidence to discuss. And to discuss both parties need to be party to the evidence. I feel it is unreasonable for an atheist to be responsible for coming up with the model, since those who believe in God supposedly know where to look, etc. "The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
I believe step one is the one step that is consistent for just about everyone.
Step 1 is to have an open mind about whether or not God exists and and of what we can know about him. If we approach the subject with preconceived ideas one way or the other, then those pre conceived ideas are likely going to form our conclusion. I'll agree that having an open mind is not going to bring everyone to the same conclusion, but if one doesn't at least get to that point the answer is pretty much a given. Everybody is entitled to my opinion.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3457 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
Step 2
One needs to be needy, have a hole to fill.
The question is, how are you supposed to search for a God that seems invisible -- one that you can’t physically see and touch or audibly hear? "The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
purpledawn writes: One needs to be needy, have a hole to fill. Or just have a desire to know what the truth is. Everybody is entitled to my opinion.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
PD writes: what is the step by step mainstream process of getting to know the Christian God (GTKG)? Whether one is a believer or not. An assumption for the purpose of this thread is that our world was created by a supreme being. The Creator. It doesn't assume that this being is the Christian God. Quite simply---I dont believe that we find God. I believe that God finds us.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3457 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:And yet people spend more time hiding from God than not. "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
quote: Maybe its because we feel under pressure to expand ourselves from our comfort zone.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Then God is EVIL!
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
I think we could use this thread as a place for iano to provide a model for seeking God. Thanks but no.
I feel it is unreasonable for an atheist to be responsible for coming up with the model, since those who believe in God supposedly know where to look, etc. It is perfectly reasonable for an athiest to provided the model I think. For it is he who would have to find the model reasonable. I could say "ask God to reveal himself to you" but the athiest (or agnostic) would have to be the person to figure out for themselves that that was a reasonable element to incorporate in the model. They would have to arrive at that not only being an acceptable thing to do but also understand what it was that was being asked and on what basis it would be asked. Now if I could construct a model where that was a reasonable thing to do then so equally, could the athiest. If he could not, then me modelling it so would be rejected by the atheist - eliminating any 'advantage' I have. He would find the basis for the modelling unreasonable. Even looking at GDR's step 1 shows the extent of the problem. "Have an open mind" Well, how does one ensure they have that? Can you go and buy a multimeter, plug yourself into in and get a reading as to open-mindedness? You cannot. If a person was, for example, to examine the consequences that would lead out of a successful search and then examine themselves personally to see whether they were willing to live with those consequences or not then they might be in a position to rely on their open mindedness. As with a person calling themselves a Christian, calling oneself open minded does not mean one is in fact.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4959 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Take one
Apply repeatedly to
Continue until this appears
and tells you to stop. There is an easier way to find God:
Brian.
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Okay, it looks at the argument for Jesus but does contain a number of relevant items to be considered by a God-searcher when he is designing a model of investigation.
The "play online" option is probably the quickest. Fast forward about a minute to miss the blurb How do we Know Christianity is Right Out of All the Religions? - bethinking.org
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3598 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
dsv:
For me, GTKG Step 1 is giving up the preconceived concept of God -- understanding history and the literature and thinking that has gone into the creation of modern religion and realizing it is human. [...] My God is not a person, a spirit, a wind, a cloud, "love" or any of the other concepts. My God is unknown.[....] I don't believe any human book can explain it, nor have we reached a point at which we can understand it -- we may someday. On the subject of human books, that's the thing that immediately appealed to me about the Tao Te Ching. The author leaves well enough alone. The book never defines Ultimate Reality. It starts off right away telling you that as soon as you invent a word for it, you are no longer talking about reality, but about your idea of it. This puts everything that follows into proper persective. All words are limited. Archer All species are transitional.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
The book never defines Ultimate Reality. It starts off right away telling you that as soon as you invent a word for it, you are no longer talking about reality, but about your idea of it. This doesn't make much sense to me. There's no other way to talk about something except by using one's "idea of it."
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