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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1747 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No, it's only the ToE, and all of those sciences could do their work without it, although they act as if they couldn't because it's so taken for granted. And I don't dispute anything you said about mutations and genetics, just what they do and what they mean.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9617 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
Faith writes: No, it's only the ToE, It is absolutely not. Those other sciences prove that the earth is old and have nothing to do with the biology or the ToE. Or have you suddenly become an old-earther?
and all of those sciences could do their work without it, And that's exactly what they do.
although they act as if they couldn't because it's so taken for granted. Yes, old earth and universe is totally settled science, only religious nutters dispute it. Totally without evidence of course.
And I don't dispute anything you said about mutations and genetics, just what they do and what they mean. Which, of course, covers pretty much everything.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Tangle writes: The jury is still out regarding this myth. Even atheists must admit that there is a good probability that the social media driven information age, coupled with the historical tendency of autocratic dictators to use technology to attempt to enslave a persecuted group makes for the liklihood of a conflict globally approaching the size and scope of a World War. Neither of you have any formal training in anything yet all of a sudden you start claiming to be a teacher and Faith, from her armchair, who has never read a research paper in any discipline, tells us that archaeology, physics, biology, astronomy, palaeontology, geology and molecular genetics are all so wrong that we might as well throw them all away and start again. And we should do it because of a stone age myth composed of folk legends.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Tangle Member Posts: 9617 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.8
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Phat writes:
All your juries are always out Phat; have you not noticed?
The jury is still out regarding this myth. Even atheists must admit that there is a good probability that the social media driven information age, coupled with the historical tendency of autocratic dictators to use technology to attempt to enslave a persecuted group makes for the liklihood of a conflict globally approaching the size and scope of a World War. Oh terrific, now you've gone all armageddon on us. Why do you religious weirdos always do that? And what's atheism got to do with anything. You're getting worse but you're enjoying the trip aren't you?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
All I am asserting is that a World War is likely. I never mentioned the end of the world. And I am pointing out that even someone with your rational level of thinking could spot the high possibility.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Pressie Member (Idle past 278 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Thugpreacha writes: I don't think so. Maybe the Crazy Old Orange Draft-dodger would try to get America into obliterating parts of Iran, but I don't think a lot of countries will join in. Iran won't win the war, but America would get a bloody nose in the process. Not even Putin or The Kim-Number-Un would be crazy enough to follow that Orange Thing into such a war. All I am asserting is that a World War is likely. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 141 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: All I am asserting is that a World War is likely. You mean a War with the US being opposed by Every Other Nation on Earth? That is certainly a possibility. How do you think that would end for the US? AbE: Phat, what other nations have nuclear stockpiles? Phat, what is the most likely delivery method for a nuclear device? Phat, are there other threats than nuclear devices? Phat, what are the delivery methods for those other threats? Phat, which is more likely to be a deterrent to Iranian aggression; threatening total destruction or becoming the single largest consumer for Iranian oil? Edited by jar, : see AbE;
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Tangle writes: I suppose I should have been more specific. Let me rephrase: And what's atheism got to do with anything.Even rationally minded individuals unswayed by religious belief must admit that there is a good probability that the social media driven information age, coupled with the historical tendency of autocratic dictators to use technology to attempt to enslave a persecuted group makes for the likelihood of a conflict globally approaching the size and scope of a World War. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
jar writes: at least 10 major stockpiles...maybe more.
Phat, what other nations have nuclear stockpiles? jar writes: Apart from Missiles and bombers, I'm not sure, though the method could be as simple as a rogue drone or even a catapult. depends if the deliverer seeks to live or not.
Phat, what is the most likely delivery method for a nuclear device? Phat, are there other threats than nuclear devices? Most certainly. Here is a short list that I can think of: Electromagnetic Pulse attacks, germ warfare, biological warfare, sabotage of key electrical grid components, and the list goes on. I could envision a terrorist with a portable drone dropping anthrax powder on the super bowl through air dispersion. Evil knows no limits except the restraint of the Lord. I pray He never removes His protection from us, but what makes us any more worthy of salvation than any other nation globally?
Phat, what are the delivery methods for those other threats? As I mentioned before, drones could carry poisons into reservoirs and over open air crowd events. Apart from that threat, the usual threats are chiefly human carried. (hijacked planes, trucks, and ships )Thus as we get deeper into facial recognition scanning, marks on hands or foreheads being mandatory, and immigration policies, the cost of security and the erosion of privacy will continue. We would do well to make more friends and fewer enemies. It is a bit ironic that the conservative fundamentalist Christians worry about a One World Government when global cooperation may be the solution.
Phat, which is more likely to be a deterrent to Iranian aggression; threatening total destruction or becoming the single largest consumer for Iranian oil? Making America Great Again involves success in developing a friendly business partner rather than a militant overlord. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Dredge Member (Idle past 118 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
jar writes:
What qualifies you as a Christian?
I am a Christian
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jar Member (Idle past 141 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Dredge writes: What qualifies you as a Christian? I was born into a Christian Family, raised as a Christian, Baptized in the Rite of Baptism, Confirmed in the Rite of Confirmation, educated in a Christian School and a registered member of a recognized Christian Denomination. Sorry Charlie; you may not like it but the Fact is that I am a Christian.
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Son Goku Inactive Member
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The thread title has an obvious answer if we go by anime logic. God was made by Ultra God no Kami Z.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
What qualifies you to ask?
What qualifies you as a Christian?quote:i.e. it isn't up to you to decide. If you want a first approximation:quote: All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
I would thus argue that the main qualifier as to who is and is not a Christian is more than simply claim to belonging to some club. It is by daily works, a philosophical overview incorporating communion between God and Man, and a reasonable understanding of scripture apart from simple deduction that is unshared by the believers-at-large in general. One obvious example: "The snake told the truth". Foolishness!! The snake was by implication a representation of satan and we all know that satan is the father of lies. There is no possible truth emanating from any such crawling creature. Of course you can make an argument otherwise, but what sense does your argument make...apart from suggesting that what is written explains the conclusion? It would make no sense for the villain to be truthful while the hero lies.
Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
I wont go so far as to accuse you of not being a Christian...I would question Dredge every bit as much, in fact...but one obvious question is how anyone could be a Christian who does not believe that Jesus is alive today. You allow your common sense to get in the way and forever ask how such a unscientific fact could exist. Perhaps you feel...according to your club bylaws, no doubt...that Jesus being alive today is unimportant to your particular brand of Christian. Can you elaborate?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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