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Ed67
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Message 88 of 105 (725145)
04-24-2014 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by ringo
04-24-2014 1:20 PM


Detection of a supernatural designer?
ringo writes:
If so, how would you know? If an intelligence existed separate from physical life, how would you detect it?
By the artifacts it left on the earth.
By the way, ringo, I respect you for asking the question.
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Ed67
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Message 90 of 105 (725148)
04-24-2014 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by ringo
04-24-2014 1:35 PM


Re: Detection of a supernatural designer?
ringo writes:
You can detect artifacts but how do you connect them to some undetectable non-physical entity?
Those were the only kind of intelligent entities around at the time, apparently, because we now have a full overview of how the replication system and cell operate. My personal opinion is that there is too much design expressed in living things, let alone humans, to be ignored or explained away.
Think about it:
All this design was somehow inserted into the first living thing.
Every single detail that is required to support life as an organism was encoded in base-4 on the DNA molecule. To suppose that this code came about WITHOUT intelligent design by someone who was 'alive' to create the code which started life on earth...
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Ed67
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Message 93 of 105 (725158)
04-24-2014 2:34 PM
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04-24-2014 1:53 PM


Re: Detection of a supernatural designer?
ringo writes:
Think about this: All any intelligence can do is manipulate existing processes.
Yes, that's a good point. But I think an intelligence must have to UNDERSTAND a process before he could manipulate it, so not all intelligences are able to manipulate all existing processes - only the processes they understand.
And what if there is a higher intelligence than humans? Someone intelligent enough to construct life from chemicals using the laws of chemistry and physics? Someone who understands more natural processes than humans currently do?
Either there exists a higher race than man, which Francis Crick himself put forth decades after the helix discovery, along with the famous astronomer Hoyle,
OR there exists a form of life beyond our explanation by materialistic means alone.

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