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Message 301 of 310 (683415)
12-10-2012 12:15 PM

And if you don't count your thumbs, then you have 8 fingers, which is pretty much seven, which demonstrates that science and the bible say the exact same thing when you use the correct reading comprehension.
7 candlesticks in hand=7 fingers.
But the Jewish Priests did not count seven the same way we might think.
"The Hand Blessing" which is performed in the synagogues today still shows the ancient way they represented 7 on their hands, those priests from the days of Moses called the Cohans.
Spock explained that was where he stole the idea from, the synagogue and the tomb stones:
You may have seen this same spread of th hand in Jewish cemeteries :
This is all very important to researching of scripture, too.
That is why Jesus returns in the end days with the seven stars or angels in his hand:
Rev. 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: [Rev 2:1], (the sevenfold spirit of the psyche: Id, Libido, Ego, Anima, Self, Harmony, Superego: [Gen. 28:12-13]): and out of his mouth went a two-edged sword (cutting both secular and theological understandings): and his countenance, (this Collective Unconscious mind that reigns over all mankind), was as the sun (of rationality) shineth in his strength (of factual, experiential, previously accumulated, and even secular confirmed knowledge: [Dan 12:3-4]).
1) Id = Lucifer
2) Libido = Satan
3) Ego = Mammon
4) Anima = Devil
5) Self = Beelzebub
6) Superego = False Prophet
7) Harmony = False shepherd
8) Conscience = Good Shepherd

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Message 302 of 310 (683416)
12-10-2012 12:26 PM

Genesis uses the Two Kingdom System because it applies when the text is concerned with only Plants or Animals:
As explained by science, asll six systems are stillused where appropriate and useful, and ONAE of them is actually perfect or necessarily superior, dependin only upon yhe applications:
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Message 303 of 310 (683417)
12-10-2012 12:37 PM

A thread comprising a completely unsavory mix of bad science and bad bible study finally ends. Hopefully kofh2u feels that he has had a fair chance to express his ideas, because if this stuff starts showing up in other threads again, then this thread was a complete waste of time.
I could pick any of a number of single examples to discuss, but perhaps kofh2u's insistence that Bible geneology corresponds to the 22 extinct humans is as illustrative as any example. kofh2u grabs an idea or two from a book called "The Last Human: A Guide to Twenty-Two Species of Extinct Humans" and completely misses the point that the hominids described therein are not intended to be a lineage, but are intended to show a branching tree including both our grand parents and our cousins. He then goes on to equate this faux-lineage with a list of Adam's descendants.
Okay, kofh2u wants to believe that, then let him. But kofh2u seems to have absolutely no clue why others disagree. That inability to even consider the criticism is something I find bewildering.
Kofh2u wants the Bible to be literally correct. Okay. I get that. But literally correct in a bizarre way where the the ark is Noah's central nervous system. I don't get that.

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Message 304 of 310 (683420)
12-10-2012 1:06 PM

A general reply to those people whdo not understand that the fusion of 2 chromosomes in an Ape mother was an Act-of-God by his chemistry inside the womb which created out of the Atomic Gust of earth a new species He called the "Adams."
The fusing is not to be confused with"heterozygous parents."
Heterozygous means that there are different alleles. So for example, the trait for tallness. If T is the dominant gene for tallness and t is the recessive gene for shortness, then a heterozygous parent would be Tt (tt or TT is homozygous, meaning same alleles).
As cited in these references on heterozygous parents, the comments are irrelevent to fusing and evidence of common deascent FROM apes:
Caroline Mackie Ogilvie and Paul N Scriven (December 2002). "Meiotic outcomes in reciprocal translocation carriers ascertained in 3-day human embryos". European Journal of Human Genetics (European Society of Human Genetics)
M. Oliver-Bonet; J. Navarro1, M. Carrera, J. Egozcue, J. Benet (October 2002). "Aneuploid and unbalanced sperm in two translocation carriers: evaluation of the genetic risk". Molecular Human Reproduction (Oxford University Press for the European Society for Human Reproduction and Embryology)
Mitelman, F; Johansson, B; Mertens, F (2007). "The impact of translocations and gene fusions on cancer causation". Nature reviews. Cancer
Homozygosity for a Robertsonian translocation (13q14q) in three offspring of heterozygous parents.
Gen 5:2 says god called them, the man and his wife, the "Adamites,"... i.e.; a species:
Gen 5:2 Male and female created he THEM; and blessed THEM, and called\[B\] THEIR name Adam, /\[B\] (a species), in the day when THEY were created.
The text of Genesis 5 compared to the present paleonotology.
Science does not refute this:
Chromosome 2 - Wikipedia(human)
"Chromosome 2 presents very strong evidence in favour of the common descent of humans and other apes. "
At each end of a chromosome we have a Telomere.
The purpose of the telomere in a chromosome is to prevent deterioration of the important bits of the chromosome from the end.
Chimpanzees and Humans have extremely similar DNA to humans.
But Chimpanzees have one more chromosome than Humans do, (24 pairs), and if Humans and Chimpanzees are genetically related (sharing a common ancestor), this extra chromosome had to go somewhere.
Evolutionary Biologists might predict that two chromosomes fused into one.
But they would need hard evidence to use that hypothesis as more argument for evolution in general, and for a good enough reason to make such a claim.
As it turns out Chromosome number 2 in Humans was once two different chromosomes that were fused together.
Additionally, the evidence is that an extra large Telomere appears in the middle of the #2 chromosome, as well as an extra Centromere, as depicted in the illustration above.

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Message 305 of 310 (683421)
12-10-2012 1:12 PM

The Summation, is that opinions and bias for atheism, bible bashing, or a personal preference for some nonsense, metaphysical, ancient medieval rooted teachings denies the Genesis is scientifically and academically correct.
The foolish church people who hold to such preference for discrediting the Bible will watch the next generations leave their organizations and form new Theistic Evolution based Churches in their stead:
Rev. 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold,... (the golden spiritual insights of the irrepressible idea of psychic Consciousness emerging from scripture) ... tried in the fire... (of time),... that thou mayest be rich... (in continued church leadership); and (re-interpret upon) white (yet unwritten, new pages), raiment,... (of revised books of your evermore obvious misinterpretations), ...that thou mayest be clothed... (and protected in thine thinking with secularly acceptable scriptural confirmations), ...and that the shame... (as visited in Geocentricism does not reoccur concerning magical Creationism, impossible literal world-wide floods, genealogies of individuals who lived inordinately long personal life times, Sun and Moon and Stars absent from the Heavens while light shines through the Cosmos, etc) ...of thy nakedness... (of your unsupportable intuitive irrationalities) not appear... (and confront you as happened before The Reformation); ...and anoint thine eyes...(awaken!)... with (the) eyesalve... (of reality!), ...that thou mayest see... (socio-psychologically).
Bill Maher will push them there, too.
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Message 306 of 310 (683425)
12-10-2012 1:23 PM

My Summation
Trying to talk sense into a kook is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It wastes time and it makes the pig squeal.

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Message 307 of 310 (683450)
12-10-2012 4:57 PM

kofh2u writes:
a personal preference for some nonsense, metaphysical, ancient medieval rooted teachings
kofh2u writes:
"There is no connection between the number of cosmological eras and the number 7 nor the 7 days in the Genesis story," nor was any INTENTIONALLY implied.
2 pertinent quotes from kofh2u himself.
Nuff said.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 308 of 310 (683468)
12-10-2012 10:15 PM

This thread was a total waste of time.
It was a mix of old tribal legends distorted in an attempt to fit them onto modern scientific findings, with ample use of a sledge hammer to make things fit even where they didn't.
And the proponent was impervious to logic, evidence, and reason when others tried to present why even the sledge hammer failed to make things fit.
The proponent reminds me of the saying, "His mind was like a steel trap--rusted shut."
(The following signature quotations apply in spades. Doubled and redoubled.)

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

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Message 309 of 310 (683479)
12-11-2012 1:58 AM

The thread speaks for itself.
Kofh2u is mostly copying and pasting canned responses he has made in other threads or in other forums. It is apparent he has no basic grasp of these subject or of the bible and has no intention of budging from such a diingenuous position regardless of what is actually happening in the real world. Everything that has been needed to be said to him has already been presented and he simply does not care about the truth.
There is no need to comment further on the subjects he has brought up because he doesn't give a shit about anything except for trying to misinform others so he can continue in his self delusion without being alone.
I welcome the idea that he participate with a little humiliy and actually engage the discussions. But as for the arrogant way he has presented himself while maintaining a peak level of contempt for others while feeding us nothing but horse-shit?
I hope I never hear about it again.

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Message 310 of 310 (683491)
12-11-2012 8:58 AM

"summary" contains 7 letters
The saddest part of this thread is that each of seven of the posters on it displaced 7 X 10^7 electrons per second from their happy little orbital homes, displacing 7 X 10^7 photons per second, over a period of 70,000 seconds in total on seven different electronic devices spread over nearly seven continents.
Won't somebody think of the photons??!1!?
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