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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 6.1
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Message 346 of 523 (916649)
03-08-2024 12:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 343 by Phat
03-08-2024 2:08 AM
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Re: A Rabbit Trail About Gambling and Addiction
This post just proves how removed from reality you are.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 6.1
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Message 347 of 523 (916663)
03-08-2024 2:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 344 by Percy
03-08-2024 10:20 AM
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Re: The Problem With Excessive Government
You will have to give a review and pointers when you get back. If a I ever do a tropical cruise again, or go on a mediterranean cruise, it will be this.
Star Clippers
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat
Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.3
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Message 348 of 523 (916684)
03-09-2024 12:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 346 by Theodoric
03-08-2024 12:06 PM
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Fantasy and Reality
Assuming for a moment that I live in fantasy, what should I do? I refuse to drink any kool-aid. In my opinion, we have two old-man candidates and two cults. My Niece wants a younger option. My conservative friend says that there is only one truth. Hopefully, he means God and not Trump. 
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Rahvin
Member Posts: 4069 Joined: 07-01-2005 Member Rating: 10.0
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Message 349 of 523 (916686)
03-09-2024 12:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 348 by Phat
03-09-2024 12:11 PM
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Re: Fantasy and Reality
Assuming for a moment that I live in fantasy, what should I do? I refuse to drink any kool-aid. Everyone has drunk some amount of kool-aid. If you want to drink less kool-aid (which is a goal I wholeheartedly endorse, literally and figuratively - thats just too much sugar), you need to critically examine your existing beliefs. Not only new assertions other people make - you have to critically examine what you already believe.
My Niece wants a younger option. That seems more than reasonable, but here we are.
My conservative friend says that there is only one truth. He's right - there is only one truth. The truth is what the facts are. The question is simply how your beliefs match up against true facts...and how they don't. What do you think you know, and how do you think you know it?
“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers “A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995... "Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
1 Corinthians 15:26King James Version (KJV) Nihil supernum
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 6.1
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Message 350 of 523 (916690)
03-09-2024 1:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 348 by Phat
03-09-2024 12:11 PM
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Re: Fantasy and Reality
My Niece wants a younger option.
As do I. Alas, we have what we have.
My conservative friend says that there is only one truth.
More conservative than you? Truth is amorphous. No two people have the same truth.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat
Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.3
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Re: Fantasy and Reality
Theo writes: Truth is amorphous. No two people have the same truth. Had to look this up.
American Heritage Dictionary writes: amorphous /ə-môr′fəs/ adjective
- Lacking physical form or shape.
- Lacking organization; formless.
- Lacking a crystalline structure.
My conservative friend is like me in that he believes in Jesus and yet unlike me in that he is pro-Trump.We even disagree on Jesus. I believe Jesus was likely of darker skin tone as many in the Middle East are. My friend believes that He was more white. We do agree that Jesus is the only way to God, Truth, and Life. By and large, my Conservative friends are Christians. I do have some progressive friends who, like myself, are pro-Jesus and anti-Trump.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 6.1
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Message 352 of 523 (916698)
03-09-2024 3:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 351 by Phat
03-09-2024 3:33 PM
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Re: Fantasy and Reality
Finding truth is like trying to nail jello to the wall.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat
Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.3
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Message 353 of 523 (919630)
07-18-2024 10:06 AM
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I want to communicate rather than be a troll
I figured that this topic would be a more appropriate venue for communication. First off, I really like EvC. I seem to have a lot of good conversations here, though I can be a bit of a troll...it is not my intention. I just disagree with many of you at times and I find that expressing my feelings and beliefs is therapeutic. Percy requested that I drop my political discussion for now, and I agree with him. It drains my positivity and creativity and really does not help me at all. The bottom line, EvC, is that I dont mean to come here to fight. I come to vent. It is therapeutic. Comments?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 6.1
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Message 354 of 523 (919632)
07-18-2024 11:02 AM
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Reply to: Message 353 by Phat
07-18-2024 10:06 AM
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Re: I want to communicate rather than be a troll
You are a troll and christian white supremacist. End of discussion.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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nwr
Member Posts: 6484 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: 08-08-2005 Member Rating: 8.7
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Message 355 of 523 (919634)
07-18-2024 11:32 AM
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Reply to: Message 353 by Phat
07-18-2024 10:06 AM
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Re: I want to communicate rather than be a troll
And that's the problem. You say that you want to communicate. But communication is a two way street. You have to listen to what others say, and to seriously consider their ideas. But you only want to vent. You want it to be a one-way street. Why should we listen to you and consider your viewpoint, if you won't listen to us and consider our viewpoint?
Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Percy
Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 356 of 523 (919637)
07-18-2024 11:50 AM
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Reply to: Message 353 by Phat
07-18-2024 10:06 AM
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Re: I want to communicate rather than be a troll
Phat writes in Message 353: The bottom line, EvC, is that I dont mean to come here to fight. I come to vent. It is therapeutic. Comments? I wasted all those words and patient explanations on someone who was just here to vent? No wonder I eventually exploded in frustration. Please go somewhere else and vent. This is a discussion site. --Percy
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 6.1
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Message 357 of 523 (919639)
07-18-2024 1:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 353 by Phat
07-18-2024 10:06 AM
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Re: I want to communicate rather than be a troll
In rereading this I find it hard to believe that you have any positivity or creativity.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Phat
Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.3
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Message 358 of 523 (919640)
07-18-2024 3:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 356 by Percy
07-18-2024 11:50 AM
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Re: I want to communicate rather than be a troll
Perhaps I need a better word than vent. I also learn through discussion and disagreement.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.3
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Message 359 of 523 (919641)
07-18-2024 4:05 PM
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AI Copilot
I recently switched browsers and am now using Microsoft Edge. It has this A.I. feature known as Copilot. I tried it out and it summarized this topic. To Wit:
Copilot writes: Using EvC Forum: Phat Unplugged Searching your page for information Sent by Copilot: Here are the key points from the current page: Personal Finance: Theodoric shares his financial journey, emphasizing smart debt management, avoiding credit card debt, and planning for retirement. Gambling and Addiction: Phat discusses his struggles with gambling addiction and the impact of dopamine on his behavior. Political Views: The conversation touches on political disagreements, with mentions of Trump, Jesus, and differing perspectives on truth. Forum Dynamics: Phat expresses his intention to communicate rather than troll, seeking therapeutic discussion rather than conflict. Reference: evcforum.net Now is that really venting?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 6.1
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Message 360 of 523 (919642)
07-18-2024 4:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 355 by nwr
07-18-2024 11:32 AM
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Re: I want to communicate rather than be a troll
None of the right and/or religious wingnuts we get here want to communicate. They have no desire to discuss. They want to preach. They expect us to accept their lunatic ravings at face value. True believers (in whatever and all of what Phat believes) cannot be swayed by logical discourse. Logical discourse is the work of the devil. Phat and all these other religious nutbags think that all of us that question them are atheists. I am, but the majority here are not. Yet the nutters think you all are. Heck, the think the other nutbags that don't agree with them are atheists too. They vent because they get frustrated when we don't just cheer and praise glory when they, for the umpteenth time, say. "Yadda, yadda, Jesus, something, something"
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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