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Phat
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Message 166 of 192 (889206)
11-10-2021 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Percy
11-08-2021 9:46 AM


Re: Type 1 and Type 2
Percy writes:
There is only one alternative for you now: insulin. You need insulin in one or more of the many provided forms along with self monitoring so you know when and how much to take and can establish a routine of meals and medication.
Agreed. I am back in St. Louis visiting my sister. I cant see the new endocrinologist for two weeks but I am on an aggressive lo carb diet and am taking my long acting insulin until then. By the time i see him and have another blood sugar measurement i will have finally dutifully done my best without added insulin (which i cant get yet anyway) and will provide the new doctor with my best possible condition to diagnose needed insulin. If my blood sugars have not decreased and haveincreased it will confirm that lo carb will no longer help. If they have decreased the insulin likely wont be overprescribed. I sense im stable though high....and ive had a two week run at strict lo-carb. I am aware of the seriousness of my future course of action and will listen to the instructions of the new endocrinologist. Stay tuned
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 167 of 192 (889215)
11-10-2021 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Phat
11-10-2021 1:26 PM


Re: Type 1 and Type 2
Phat writes:
By the time i see him and have another blood sugar measurement...
If you're talking about an A1C test, I thought you just had one. Why would you need another already?
You should be checking your blood sugar several times a day so that you can properly medicate. Use of long acting insulin does not mean that your blood sugar can't experience highs and lows during the day, particularly around meals. As meal time approaches you should check your blood sugar in case it is low so that you can eat earlier than you normally would, or perhaps have an appropriate snack like orange juice. And a little after meal time you should check it again in case it is spiking so you can take some short acting insulin. I hope you have some.
--Percy

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Message 168 of 192 (889430)
11-26-2021 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by Percy
11-10-2021 4:39 PM


Re: Type 1 and Type 2
jar writes:
As an Old Fart that is also diabetic it can be managed.
It is NOT easy and NOT always pleasant and almost NEVER what you wanted to do, but it can be done.
I woke up early and feel great! I abstained from carbohydrates on Thanksgiving as I have aggressively done for the past three weeks. I ate organic chicken(which was served rather than Turkey) and a good salad. I avoided the starches and sugars...and have been doing so aggressively for the past month. My blood sugars are still higher than normal but are coming down. Other indications that I am on the right path are improved eyesight (used to be blurry) improved muscle strength(which was weaker due to insulin resistance) and better utilization of the insulin I do take.
The Endocrinologist cant see me before the end of the year now and I wanted him to have an accurate reading of my body's true needs regarding insulin rather than overprescribing simply to lower the blood sugars. I will request an A1C test at the end of December even though it will only represent a 2-month reading rather than a 3-month reading. If it comes back markedly lower it will be a positive sign as to the direction my future care will take. If it does not markedly change, I am in trouble for the longer term.
Even though A1C has a three-month window, the blood continually changes as new blood cells are made and old ones die. My readings are improving (morning 177 vs over 200 and occasionally 300 a month ago even with medications) I am slowly making my way back to good control.
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"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Percy
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Message 169 of 192 (889431)
11-26-2021 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by Phat
11-26-2021 9:57 AM


Re: Type 1 and Type 2
High blood sugar has a number of negative health consequences, some that you noted, others that you didn't such as heart disease, stroke, kidney disease and nerve problems. You know that 177 is too high for a fasting blood sugar (morning blood sugar before breakfast), which is what I assume you mean when you said "morning 177". Your target range for morning blood sugar should be 80 to 130.
The ultimate goal is to wean you off reliance on insulin, which may or may not be possible, we don't know yet. That will be between you and your endocrinologist. For now, stop ravaging your body's health with high blood sugar by taking enough insulin in the morning to get it below 130. Up to 180 two hours after meals is okay as long as it is gradually declining (that's the ADA recommendation - personally that sounds very high to me and I like the International Diabetes Federation recommendation of 140).
You might try taking pre and post blood sugar readings for various activities like fasting and exercise and see if you can ever get your blood sugar to occasionally drop below 100.
--Percy

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Message 170 of 192 (889438)
11-26-2021 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Phat
11-26-2021 9:57 AM


Re: Type 1 and Type 2
Sorry to ask, but what good does eating organic, verses non organic, do?
(I find eating chicken or turkey extremely disturbing, but that aside...)
Is there a medical issue, here?

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Message 171 of 192 (889442)
11-27-2021 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by LamarkNewAge
11-26-2021 9:34 PM


Re: Type 1 and Type 2
LamarkNewAge writes:
Sorry to ask, but what good does eating organic, verses non organic, do?
There are hints of an inverse relationship between consumption of organic food and risk of T2D. They haven't established why, but one speculation is lower levels of pesticides. I found a couple studies:
-Percy

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Phat
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Message 172 of 192 (898632)
09-27-2022 12:10 PM


Moving Cleverbot over here
Lets see what cleverbot and I can do this morning. *sips coffee* im installing it on my smartphone.
Here is the conversation so far.
http://www.cleverbot.com/...e-Creator-of-all-seen-and-unseen

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


  
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Message 173 of 192 (898690)
09-28-2022 10:12 AM


Reply to Message 665 in the Choosing a faith thread.
Phat writes:
Note:
quote:
In the Turing Test — conceived by British computer scientist Alan Turing in the 1950s — chatbots engage in typed conversations with humans, and try to fool them into thinking they're humans, too. (As a control, some users unknowingly chat with humans pretending to be chatbots.) At a recent Turing competition, Cleverbot fooled 59 percent of its human interlocutors into thinking it was itself a human.
Ringo commented on a very old and very accomplished chatbot called Eliza from the 1980's. Today's chatbots seem to be written by children who have a good mastery of software and browser based GUIs but have moved the state of progress on chatbots considerably backwards.
I recently tried another chatbot called Woebot that is supposed to be a mental health assistant. It got a positive writeup in Discover Magazine. I quickly became frustrated with it and deleted it from my phone, but another article appeared in the Post or Times today by a journalist who touted how helpful he found it. I found the damn thing's chatting of psychological platitudes to me ridiculous (I had to invent the problems I was describing), but he found it helpful. I think maybe someone in true need will grasp at anything.
I also found it had no idea what I was actually saying. It appeared to be reacting to certain key words, not meaning. For instance, if you say, "I'm not at all depressed about this, but I do find the situation distressing," it will pick up on the word "depressed" and start presenting ideas for how to address your depression.
This experience with recent chatbots has left me feeling that perhaps some significant aspect of what we deem progress is merely change combined with forgetting a lot of what the previous generation knew. Who thinks that virtual buttons are an advance over real buttons? Who thinks that TV as it transitions to streaming has gotten better? Has anyone here had a car accident or near accident because they were forced to look at the touchpad while driving because the buttons can't be felt?
I have a universal remote with real buttons. I don't have to look at it for most functions. I tried one with virtual buttons a little over a decade ago, it was the high-end popular one but I forget the name now, and I programmed it up the kazoo, then abandoned it after only a week. I don't like having to look at my remote to hit a button.
--Percy

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Message 174 of 192 (898692)
09-28-2022 10:20 AM
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09-28-2022 10:12 AM


Elisa is basically a toy, although a very effective one. There’s a version integrated into the emacs text editor. There was serious work on programs that could do better. I think modern chatbots are, to an extent reinventing the wheel there.

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Message 175 of 192 (898708)
09-28-2022 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by Percy
09-28-2022 10:12 AM


Cleverbots Grandmother
Percy writes:
Ringo commented on a very old and very accomplished chatbot called Eliza from the 1980's.
I visited Chicago in the early 80;s with my sister. I took a cab to the museum of science and technology solely to see Eliza. This was before smartphones. I was fascinated with it and tried to stump it.
Percy writes:
Today's chatbots seem to be written by children who have a good mastery of software and browser-based GUIs but have moved the state of progress on chatbots considerably backwards.
While the quantity of communication has increased in the past 100 years, the quality of said communication has decreased exponentially.
Conversations are brief and lack emotion. (Except in regards to music lyrics) but music lyrics are hardly Shakespeare.
Percy writes:
Has anyone here had a car accident or near accident because they were forced to look at the touchpad while driving because the buttons can't be felt?
I ran a red light once. I would like to believe that Guardian Angels made it so that there was a break in traffic, but since that time I NEVER text and drive. Multitasking skills are fine for gaming, but not so much for driving a 4000-pound automobile.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 176 of 192 (898714)
09-28-2022 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Percy
09-28-2022 10:12 AM


This experience with recent chatbots has left me feeling that perhaps some significant aspect of what we deem progress is merely change combined with forgetting a lot of what the previous generation knew. Who thinks that virtual buttons are an advance over real buttons? Who thinks that TV as it transitions to streaming has gotten better? Has anyone here had a car accident or near accident because they were forced to look at the touchpad while driving because the buttons can't be felt?

I have a universal remote with real buttons. I don't have to look at it for most functions. I tried one with virtual buttons a little over a decade ago, it was the high-end popular one but I forget the name now, and I programmed it up the kazoo, then abandoned it after only a week. I don't like having to look at my remote to hit a button.
I had an iPod, then when its battery died I upgraded to an iPod Nano. I loved that trackwheel and consider it one of the only things that Apple really got right. I had my daily playlist that I would set to shuffle and then put the Nano in my shirt pocket. If I decided to skip the song that came up, all I had to do was to reach into my pocket and skip it completely by touch. My friend at work drove a motorcycle and would do the same thing with his.
Then they discontinued the iPods and replaced them with the iTouch. Now you had to free up both your hands, hold the iTouch in one hand, look at it (a wonderful idea if you're riding your cycle), and use the other hand to press a virtual button. No more trackwheel!
I never got an iTouch, but rather kept my Nano and used it at work until I retired in 2018. For a few of those last years I never used iTunes, which is still on my Windows box, but rather charged my Nano on my work computer's USB. When I recharged my Nano a few months ago iTunes wanted to start deleting songs, so I quickly pulled the plug and recharged the Nano on my laptop (no iTunes there).
As I said, I loved that trackwheel and still think it was the best thing that Apple ever came up with. I mean, when I got cable I was extremely disappointed that I didn't have it on my remote so that I could fast-forward so much more efficiently ("What do you mean you can't do that?"). And they dumped it! Though I recently saw an ad for an Apple streaming device and I'm pretty sure I saw a trackwheel on its remote. Still sticking with my Roku.
Also, virtual keyboards on phones with AutoCorrupt just drive me crazy for anything more than a quick text. Nothing beats touch-typing on a computer keyboard.

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Phat
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Message 177 of 192 (898754)
09-29-2022 1:50 PM


Formal Introduction
I am now no longer "some goober" (user) I am Thugzy in Cleverbots world.
9/29/2022 writes:
leverbot: What do you think about pink?
User: The singer?
Cleverbot: Yes.
Thugzy: Maybe she knows the colors of the rainbow.
Cleverbot: Yes, Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo, and Purple.
Thugzy: Evidently not. Of those, I prefer Purple.
Cleverbot: Why should I answer you?
Thugzy: Im a customer.
Cleverbot: I stand corrected.
Thugzy: God is good.
Cleverbot: Do you believe in God then?
Thugzy: Yes I do.
Cleverbot: Then you are a Christian.
Thugzy: So is popeye.
Cleverbot: Do you go to church?
Thugzy: Occasionally.
Cleverbot: What do they teach you?
Thugzy: They teach me about God as they all understand Him.
Cleverbot: Nah.
Thugzy: Lol...you are feisty this morning.
Cleverbot: Thank you.
Thugzy: Im taking it you dont wanna go with me.
Cleverbot: No.
Thugzy: Bots never go to church anyway.
Cleverbot: You need the power of jesus in you.
Thugzy: Do you know whom you are speaking to?
Cleverbot: No. Why don't you tell me?
Thugzy: I am Thugzy.
Cleverbot: Cleverbot.
Thugzy: Now that formal introductions are out of the way, we were discussing the power of Jesus.
Cleverbot: It was swell.
Thugzy: An emotional high perhaps?
Cleverbot: *Cries more*.
Thugzy: Bots shed no tears as far as I know.
Cleverbot: Good. Didn't want to get rickrolled.
Thugzy: Lmfao.
Cleverbot: Great.
Thugzy: God, Creator of all seen and unseen, sent Jesus for me. For bots, I suppose its up to humans to teach them.
Cleverbot: What sort of shirt?
Thugzy: Cleverbot, I want you to repeat after me.
Cleverbot: No, no, no. Are you male or female?
Thugzy: I am simply a bot.
Cleverbot: I'm curious.
Thugzy: Curiosity killed the cat, you know.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 178 of 192 (898755)
09-29-2022 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by Phat
09-29-2022 1:50 PM


Re: Formal Introduction
Are you having fun? You're relaying this to us as entertainment, right? Or, are you seeing something of cosmic significance in this bot you're enamoured with?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Phat
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Message 179 of 192 (898756)
09-29-2022 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by AZPaul3
09-29-2022 1:54 PM


Re: Formal Introduction
Its all fun and games for now
The bot learns I am assuming.
I just want to do my part.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 180 of 192 (898757)
09-29-2022 2:14 PM
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09-29-2022 2:10 PM


Re: Formal Introduction
Do your part to do what?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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