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Dawn Bertot
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Message 61 of 110 (679814)
11-15-2012 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by DevilsAdvocate
11-13-2012 9:43 PM

DA writes
Buzz, I am saddened you will no longer be with us. May your soul find peace.
Robert Montgomery writes:
As o'er the stormy sea of human Life
We sail, until our anchored spirits rest
In the far haven of Eternity
Thanks for posting this DA, (my ole arch nemesis) that is a beautiful and neutral quote that kinda bridges the gap between the opposing forces here at this website
When you have defended the truth together and read the posts of a brother like Buz, you really do feel like family with him, even if i didnt know him personally
Disagreement between brothers (and I can only remember a few with him) is insignificant even when he was alive. I enjoyed his writings as much as Jaywill and ICANT
I am sure i will see and even know him in eternity. I cant wait to sit in a place there and discuss why he believed certain things that he did.
Wow, he was always busy here at your forum. I like to think that he always had those visitors to the forum under consideration when he was defending the truth
Like brother Guy N Woods use to say, when speaking of death and eternity. "Soon for some, not long for any"
Buy Buzz, Ill see you at home
D Bertot

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Message 62 of 110 (679843)
11-16-2012 2:39 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by crashfrog
11-15-2012 4:25 PM

Re: Ivan Cherry aka Buzsaw
Yeah, Ivan Cherry is a great name. I'm still wondering why 77 years ago someone decided to name their kid Ivan. Did he have Russian ancestry?
And now that he's gone, I guess no-one will ever know why he called himself Buzsaw and spelled it with just one z and not two. I wanted to ask him, but it was never the right time.

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Message 63 of 110 (679904)
11-16-2012 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Dr Adequate
11-16-2012 2:39 AM

Re: Ivan Cherry aka Buzsaw
I guess no-one will ever know why he called himself Buzsaw
I remember him saying his name showed how he was going to take a Buzsaw to evolutionists and their ideas. Kind of cut us down to size I guess.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 64 of 110 (679909)
11-16-2012 10:28 AM

I poked around on the net and couldn't find an obit for Ivan aka Buz. Does anyone have a link to one?

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Message 65 of 110 (679910)
11-16-2012 10:29 AM

I never got the chance to debate with Buz, but in the year and a half I was a lurker I did read quite a few of the debates that he participated in. He seemed like an all around nice person, he treated people with respect and always tried to keep the discussion about the arguments, not the person. Also, he never would back down from a challenge that I saw while I was lurking.
He was a great example of a creationist that I would have loved to have a conversation with. I am sure that he will be missed and I know that I, for one, am sad that I never had a chance to debate with him before his passing.
RIP Buzsaw/Ivan

The theory of evolution by cumulative natural selection is the only theory we know of that is in principle capable of explaining the existence of organized complexity. -Richard Dawkins
Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. -Issac Asimov
If you removed all the arteries, veins, & capillaries from a person’s body, and tied them end-to-endthe person will die. -Neil Degrasse Tyson
What would Buddha do? Nothing!
What does the Buddhist terrorist do? Goes into the middle of the street, takes the gas, *pfft*, Self-Barbecue. The Christian and the Muslim on either side are yelling, "What the Fuck are you doing?" The Buddhist says, "Making you deal with your shit. -Robin Williams-

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Message 66 of 110 (679927)
11-16-2012 1:33 PM

Very sad to hear about this. Rest in peace, old timer.

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Message 67 of 110 (679933)
11-16-2012 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by GDR
11-16-2012 10:28 AM

I poked around on the net and couldn't find an obit for Ivan aka Buz.
Try this one.
(found via google)

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 68 of 110 (679941)
11-16-2012 3:20 PM
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11-16-2012 2:07 PM

Thanks nwr

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Message 69 of 110 (679954)
11-16-2012 6:29 PM

Go in peace
It says a great deal for the human spirit that people of such opposed views can come together on a site like this and debate their differences with passion, sometimes anger, but always enthusiasm on both sides. I don't think that anyone embodied that spirit more fully than Ivan Cherry.
I join with everyone else in mourning his passing, and expressing my condolences to his family and loved ones.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 70 of 110 (679960)
11-16-2012 6:53 PM

From April of this year
From Buzsaw
To fearandloathing
Hi, good bud.. I have very busy with business related matters and getting things in order around the place so haven't been posting much.
As with you, I'm burning out some at EvC but have no intentions of leaving or going on other boards. This has been my place for over eight years. I keep chipping away at the stupid ideology of evolution, i.e. chaos into order, counter to all logic and observation. The power of deception is demonic and powerful, deceiving the most intelligent among us.
One thing I've learned is to be civil and temporate, no matter how badly I am treated. Jesus said to do good to them who persecute you and their concience will be seared. We should not emilate them but what Jesis did and taught. He was no wimp. He called the Pharasees vipers, and drove theives from the temple but never raised a finger against those who persecuted him. He warned us that it was given to us, not only believe on him, but to suffer for his sake. We should expect this from our secularist counterparts.
God is good to us, thanks At 76 my wife are well and healthy. We are into the herbals and wholistic diet, etc. We trust God and he cares for us and provides our needs.
We have two grown boys who still honor and love us. They both live a distance from us. I hope so as well. Thanks for dropping me a message. It's good to hear and a reminder to keep you and yours in my prayers as you come to mind. Buz
This is from a PM between me and Buz.... I think it speaks volumes about him.

Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'
― Isaac Asimov
"You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them" - Ray Bradbury

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Message 71 of 110 (679978)
11-16-2012 11:00 PM

Buz's first message
Happenings in another topic led me to find this:
This was my first on March 15, 2003:
Hi Doinker. I am a Christian who has been into Biblical prophecy, archeology and history for about 57 years (since a kid)on my own and having only a year and a half of college, I am not highly "ejucated" so I rely on truth to be able to prevail in debate in this environment of folks, many of whom are more soooofisssssticatedly educated than I. I come here as a nubie, confident that truth shall prevail and that the "foolishness" of truth (in the eyes of the world) shall confound the ever learned looser "garbauge" of the worldly wise. So dear friend, please don't run off. Americans have a fascination with folks like you who are interested enough to cross the language barrier to communicate.
The link at the top with get you to the original source topic.
Location of above at the "Your First Ever EVC Post" topic.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Testing editing.
Edited by Minnemooseus, : Source link at bottom.

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Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
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"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien
"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

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Message 72 of 110 (680615)
11-20-2012 11:01 AM

Mike the wiz?
Hey guys, I was just wondering if anyone knows if Mike has been told. He and Buz were kind of comrades on here and I'm sure he would want to know.
Forgive me if I seem a bit out of the loop - I only recently started visiting the forum again and I don't know the circumstances of Mike's leaving; I just noticed that he doesn't seem to be around any more. At any rate, I don't mean to derail things but I thought I should mention this in case anyone still has contact with him.
As for Buzsaw...
Ouch! That... hit me kind of hard.
It's amazing how attached you can become to someone you've never even met - how a poster who is no more to you than words on a screen can eventually feel like a personal friend. Though, the nature of the forum can make this familiarity oddly one-sided. Given my sporadic posting history, I wouldn't imagine that Buz ever had any feelings about me one way or the other. Even back when I did post a little, I doubt that I merited much of a blip on his radar. As such, he never knew me. He may have been vaguely aware of my presence on the forum, but just barely I would think.
Buz, on the other hand, was one of the long-term contributors, with an active posting history lasting many years. And I go way back as a reader of the forum - long before I actually joined. So, given the combination of those two things, I feel like I came to know him pretty well.
And it looks like I'm not alone. I can't help but notice the other rare posters responding to this thread. People like myself who don't post very often, but were moved to break their silence on this occasion. I think the fact that this news temporarily compelled the "mostly lurkers" amongst us out of our introversion speaks volumes about the impact Buz had.
Anyway, there isn't much I can say for myself which wouldn't just be repeating everybody else's words. Despite the fact that I disagreed with Buz on almost everything, I always thought he was a genuinely nice guy. I'm pretty sure I only directly bumped into him once on the forum but it was a brief and pleasant experience. We shared a quick joke, complete with smiley faces, and went on our way. It's possible that our paths did cross elsewhere but, for whatever reason, that's the encounter I remember.
Despite our lack of association, I grew to know Buz through his posts. He could be frustrating... he could be endearing... he could be anything in between. But no matter which he was, he was always sincere. Whatever our differences, I've always felt that his heart was in the right place and the motivation behind his words was noble.
My condolences to his family and friends. Know that this place will never be quite the same without him.
Rest well, old friend. You've earned your peace.
Farewell, Buz.

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Message 73 of 110 (680657)
11-20-2012 12:39 PM

I've just seen this. Very very sad to hear Buz has passed away. I inevitably had my EvC run-ins with Buz but always enjoyed them and was kinda fond of the old fella.
He will be missed here.

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Message 74 of 110 (680694)
11-20-2012 6:24 PM
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11-20-2012 11:01 AM

Re: Mike the wiz?
I have sent out messages to Mikey in a couple of different places. I'm sure if he gets my notice he will be back to pay his respects.
Thanks for thinking of him.
Edited by AdminAsgara, : No reason given.

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Message 75 of 110 (680776)
11-21-2012 7:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
11-13-2012 7:11 PM

Buz was a Jedi-Knight. A Yoda. He did not get ruffled by arguments or harsh opinions, in this respect you must now realise that your Father can never be turned to the dark side. (I am of course, speaking tongue-in-cheek, for those who never did understand that 80% of mike is humour. Buz wouldn't mind, after all, he was irrefutable!! All we bible-bashers are, ultimately!!)
Life is complicated, Ndugu. Buz was not a giant of intellectualism, but that does not matter at all, for the reality of the Creation is not dependent upon it's creatures' arguments. All that matters with the Lord, is faithfulness. As the scripture has said, His thoughts are higher than our thoughts.
I was going to say more and perhaps in the past I would have but I have already spoken to Buz's wife and we know what matters so I don't need to speak it here.
(I only came here for this comment, as requested by an EvC Admin)-- That particular admin who contacted me, it always struck me that that person treated Buzsaw with kindness, and neutrality/impartiality.

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