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foreveryoung
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Message 256 of 274 (680373)
11-19-2012 11:27 AM
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11-16-2012 4:21 PM


Re: scale and location
They may not support abortion, but the abortion issue isn't front and center in importance to them as it is for many evangelical christians. Suppose a candidate running for president supported abortion on demand but was in full support of the welfare system for the poor. Suppose that his opponent was strongly against abortion in all cases and had a good track record in that regard, but he supported severely cutting back on food stamps and housing programs for the poor and other similar measures. I can assure you that the jesuits at fordham college would vote for the first candidate in a heartbeat.

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Message 257 of 274 (680374)
11-19-2012 11:32 AM
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11-19-2012 11:27 AM


Re: scale and location
I think that may be more of a commentary on the problems inherent with a "winner take all" two-party representative political system like what exists in the United States than a clear picture of whether Fordham Jesuits are "conservative" or "liberal."

The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus
"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of
variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the
outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.

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jar
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Message 258 of 274 (680378)
11-19-2012 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by foreveryoung
11-19-2012 11:27 AM


Re: scale and location
If some one is strongly opposed to abortion, don't they have the capability to just not get an abortion?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 259 of 274 (680383)
11-19-2012 12:05 PM
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11-19-2012 11:16 AM


Re: Professing conservatism.
1.61803 writes:
Yes it is, but is it possible to believe that American's of all races, religions and sexual orientation should be afforded equal civil rights under the law, and be against gay marriage?
Technically, I'd say yes. You see, if you're against marriage in general, you're also against gay marriage. You want everybody to have the same rights, you just think marriage should not be one of those rights.

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Message 260 of 274 (680388)
11-19-2012 12:20 PM
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11-19-2012 12:05 PM


Re: Professing conservatism.
It is kind of funny in a way. Marriage is traditionally a conservative concept. You would think it is MORE conservative to support marriage. I contend the more conservative stance is one that supports gay marriage.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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foreveryoung
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Message 261 of 274 (680449)
11-19-2012 3:28 PM
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11-19-2012 11:49 AM


Re: scale and location
Yes, but the more conservative one is, the more important the issue of abortion is to them over other issues. In the end, to the liberal jesuits at fordham, the issue of abortion is a backburner issue and very low wattage one at that compared to other issues that are flamethrowers for them like the welfare state.

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Message 262 of 274 (680497)
11-19-2012 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 261 by foreveryoung
11-19-2012 3:28 PM


Re: scale and location
Yes, but the more conservative one is, the more important the issue of abortion is to them over other issues. In the end, to the liberal jesuits at fordham, the issue of abortion is a backburner issue and very low wattage one at that compared to other issues that are flamethrowers for them like the welfare state.
The irony is that conservatives are against abortion, and yet they villify single women who have children while on welfare.

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jar
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Message 263 of 274 (680503)
11-19-2012 5:11 PM
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11-19-2012 3:28 PM


Re: scale and location
Not really. Abortion has NOTHING to do with Conservative. It is completely a restricted religious issue. What's so funny is the same religious groups that worked to decriminalize abortion in the US are the same ones that are trying to criminalize it today.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Panda
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Message 264 of 274 (680504)
11-19-2012 5:12 PM
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11-19-2012 5:01 PM


Re: scale and location
Taq writes:
The irony is that conservatives are against abortion, and yet they villify single women who have children while on welfare.
I think they are proposing a different solution to avoiding child-birth though - i.e. contraception or celibacy.
I am sure there must be better examples of irony in their policies.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 265 of 274 (680509)
11-19-2012 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 261 by foreveryoung
11-19-2012 3:28 PM


Re: scale and location
Perhaps what you say is true. But if so, then we're going to have to put most of the people who say abortion is at the top of the list way out on the extreme right. Almost nobody listed abortion as even the top social issue of concern in polls conducted this election.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Message 266 of 274 (680513)
11-19-2012 5:31 PM
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11-19-2012 5:24 PM


Re: scale and location
Perhaps what you say is true. But if so, then we're going to have to put most of the people who say abortion is at the top of the list way out on the extreme right. Almost nobody listed abortion as even the top social issue of concern in polls conducted this election.
Even among conservative politicians it is not at the top of concerns. If Republicans controlled both chambers and the White House do you really think that they would try to push a bill through that outlaws all abortions? That would be political suicide, and they know it. They are never going to do that. However, that doesn't stop them from campaigning as Pro-Life.

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Message 267 of 274 (680525)
11-19-2012 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 258 by jar
11-19-2012 11:49 AM


Re: scale and location
Well, it comes to the Jesuits, I can assure you none of them would EVER qualify for having to make that choice for themself.

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Message 268 of 274 (680536)
11-19-2012 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by foreveryoung
11-19-2012 11:27 AM


Re: scale and location
They may not support abortion, but the abortion issue isn't front and center in importance to them as it is for many evangelical christians.
Lets add a class on Catholicism to the list.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 269 of 274 (680537)
11-19-2012 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 261 by foreveryoung
11-19-2012 3:28 PM


Re: scale and location
In the end, to the liberal jesuits at fordham, the issue of abortion is a backburner issue and very low wattage one at that compared to other issues that are flamethrowers for them like the welfare state.
But alas this is just more crap you are spewing as we all know you have no idea what the Jesuits in general or the Jesuits at Fordham are concerned about.
How about presenting some writings or speeches or anything the Jesuits at Fordham have said about these issues.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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foreveryoung
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Message 270 of 274 (680544)
11-19-2012 11:03 PM
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11-19-2012 9:25 PM


Re: scale and location
All I can tell you is that the majority of catholics I have run into more often than not disagree with me on a majority of issues that are of either a political or social nature. I admit to not being extremely educated on Jesuits, but like Catholics in general, and more severely than run of the mill Catholics, I find them to disagree with me politcally and socially.
Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.

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