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foreveryoung
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Message 163 of 203 (682198)
11-30-2012 1:41 PM


Facing Up to the Enormity of Our Problem
I was trying to find a recent, still open thread, that was relevant to this article from the american thinker website. This is the only one that fits the bill. I know that this article talks about things in a broad, and generalized manner, and from experience here, that is what you guys will seize upon. Of course there will be exceptions to the rule, but I feel the general trend that this guy talks about is right on the money.
http://www.americanthinker.com/...ormity_of_our_problem.html
By Daren Jonescu
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foreveryoung
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Message 165 of 203 (682206)
11-30-2012 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Straggler
11-30-2012 1:59 PM


Re: Facing Up to the Enormity of Our Problem
It isn't the problem the world faces; it is the problem philosophical conservatives face. The article is talking about the type of life conservatives enjoy living is rapidly going away and the chances of it ever coming back are slim. The "Our" is the title is referring to philosophical conservatives. That is the audience that the website is geared toward.

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foreveryoung
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Message 176 of 203 (682234)
11-30-2012 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Omnivorous
11-30-2012 3:31 PM


Re: Better face the nature of the problem first
One face of that problem is claiming that the "American left" (by which I understand anyone to the left of Genghis Khan) oppresses economic vitality with "confiscatory tax rates" when, in fact, taxes are at extraordinarily low levels, historically speaking, and we had greater wealth, growth and productivity under the higher Clinton-era tax rates.
The article states that socialist authoritarians oppress economic freedoms with confiscatory tax rates. Can you name one liberal democrat who has not sought to raise taxes on "the rich"? Can you name one liberal democrat who has not made that statement at least once when asked about how to solve economic problems?
Another face of that problem is the attempt by philosophical conservatives to present themselves as champions of liberty when their standard bearers, the Taliban side of the GOP coalition, wants the government to intrude into the most intimate aspects of citizens' lives to impose matters of individual conscience with the fiat of law.
That is the typical response of liberal minded thinkers. You think that freedom is only the ability to smoke a joint or to marry your brother.
The demonization of the Eurozone as a nest of socialist leeches is especially interesting, in light of the fact that Europe has grimly pursued the austerity measures advocated by American conservatives, while Obama's administration has pursued classic stimulative measures, albeit timid ones, given GOP obstruction.
I don't know if the populace of the eurozone is socialist. They simply have grown accustomed to be leeches of the government. Are you going to deny that the majority of the eurozone populace enjoys their social programs and would fight tooth and nail to even slightly trim a single one?
Yet the Eurozone is now facing 12% unemployment while the U.S. economy continues to improve by pretty much every measure.
This is supposed to contradict a point of the article in some way?
I am confident that conservatives recognize the strong possibility of another economic boom during Obama's second administration--a surging recovery that would have appeared in his first administration if the GOP hadn't put their party's interest ahead of the nation's.
This conservative recognizes no such thing unless one thing happens.... Obama is not allowed to do what he wants to, or is forced into accepting a few GOP initiatives. Most conservatives do not agree with your assessment of them either. What makes you think there would have been a surging recovery in his first term if obama got his way? He could have passed whatever we wanted to his first two years. There was absolutely nothing standing in his way since his party held the leads of power in both houses of congress and the presidency.
The GOP played a cut-throat game for all the marbles in the 2008-2012 term, and miscalculated badly.
What do you mean by this? You seem to be saying that preventing legislation that you believe is harmful to the country is somehow being a cut-throat.
In short, the most enormous problem conservatism faces is that it is demonstrably wrong on pretty much every count
Went wrong in what way? ...in what standard of measure?
American voters haven't been seduced by ponies of dependency
Not sure what that phrase means. The american voters have been indeed seduced into accepting whatever the media has to say about the obama administration and whatever the media has to say about republicans and conservative ideas in general.
they've (god stop this metaphor I can't) been repelled by the horses conservatism rode in on: oligarchical wealth and power, and theocratic control of private life.
That is what the media convince the american people that conservatism was all about. They obviously convinced you some time ago that was true. Either that or the people you surrounded yourself with convinced you of that.
On a side note, the guy writes like a college freshman penning diatribes for underground newspapers back in the 60s. Only the villains have changed.
How does a college freshman write as opposed to a college graduate, and how does what he writes qualify for that description?

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foreveryoung
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Message 177 of 203 (682235)
11-30-2012 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by Dr Adequate
11-30-2012 4:19 PM


Re: Facing Up to the Enormity of Our Problem
According to asshats like the guy you linked to, we are being robbed of our liberties. But which ones? Last time I checked, I still have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the right to bear arms, all that good stuff.
I thought you lived in the UK.

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foreveryoung
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Message 185 of 203 (682254)
11-30-2012 6:03 PM


liberty
Some have asked me about my definition of liberty. Some think that if you are not allowed to kill your unborn child or fornicate with a donkey or shoot heroin up your arm, that you basically don't have liberty at all. Here is my idea of liberty from another article in the american thinker. I read that website because it clearly articulates what I already believe. I just cannot put it in to words. That is part of what gets me frustrated on here. I cannot articulate in exactness what it is I believe. Troy Smith of American Thinker, though, has articulated the idea of liberty for me in his article "Van Jones and philosophical warfare".
Troy Smith writes:
libertarian philosophy is the belief of being free from arbitrary force imposed by others
While I believe in liberty as defined here, I also believe in limits to liberty only in those cases where it is in the best interests of the majority of the population. Another caveat that I make is this: Liberty is absolutely worthless in the hands of an immoral population. Since american society is basically immoral, it does not want to impose limitations to liberty in the form of anti-abortion laws. Liberty is only a good force in society when the society as a whole uses it for good means. When all the society cares about is the liberty to fornicate at will and pharmacate itself at will, liberty is a force for evil.
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foreveryoung
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Message 187 of 203 (682258)
11-30-2012 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by ooh-child
11-30-2012 5:13 PM


Re: Better face the nature of the problem first
How am I wrong? The democrats held the majority in both houses of congress and the presidency.

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foreveryoung
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Message 198 of 203 (682354)
12-01-2012 3:44 PM


Summary: We did the wrong thing and the country is going straight to hell right behind europe.

  
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