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Tangle
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Message 826 of 845 (903030)
11-30-2022 5:17 PM


The answer is to stop feeding them. I don't understand why you guys continue to reply, they'll keep talking crap for as long as you keep talking to them.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 827 of 845 (904766)
01-06-2023 6:44 PM


Close Thread
Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
This thread has been of no discussion value, or fun, for some time.
I'm thinking this thing should be closed.
Admin: Request you consider closing this topic.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 828 of 845 (904772)
01-07-2023 2:20 AM
Reply to: Message 827 by AZPaul3
01-06-2023 6:44 PM


Re: Close Thread
I second that request.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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ringo
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Message 829 of 845 (904784)
01-07-2023 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 826 by Tangle
11-30-2022 5:17 PM


Tangle writes:
I don't understand why you guys continue to reply...
To hone our arguments, even if it's only honing how to swat a mosquito.
Tangle writes:
... they'll keep talking crap for as long as you keep talking to them.
No, they always run away eventually.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 830 of 845 (904786)
01-07-2023 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 829 by ringo
01-07-2023 11:25 AM


ringo writes:
To hone our arguments, even if it's only honing how to swat a mosquito.
Not anymore, you've used the same argument hundreds of times - in a single thread - with these nutjobs. Now it's just a sport for you.
... they'll keep talking crap for as long as you keep talking to them.
No, they always run away eventually.
Maybe they will eventually. But eventually can be a bloody long time with some of these loonies. There's nothing but name calling going on in the threads we're complaining about.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 831 of 845 (904789)
01-07-2023 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 830 by Tangle
01-07-2023 12:12 PM


Tangle writes:
Now it's just a sport for you.
The sport is thinking of new ways to express it hundreds of times.
It's the same sport as I'm playing with YOU right now.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 832 of 845 (904797)
01-07-2023 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 831 by ringo
01-07-2023 12:16 PM


ringo writes:
The sport is thinking of new ways to express it hundreds of times.
Well at least you're enjoying yourself, but I can tell you, it ain't much of a spectator sport.
It's the same sport as I'm playing with YOU right now.
Figures. Anyway, I'm out. Probably.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 833 of 845 (904825)
01-08-2023 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 832 by Tangle
01-07-2023 1:38 PM


Tangle writes:
... it ain't much of a spectator sport.
The little greenn dots disagree with you.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 834 of 845 (904839)
01-08-2023 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 833 by ringo
01-08-2023 1:13 PM


ringo writes:
The little greenn dots disagree with you.
I'm beating you on this page 4 to 2. And your 2 is Phat. Just sayin'
Not that I'm counting. Or replying.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 835 of 845 (904842)
01-08-2023 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 830 by Tangle
01-07-2023 12:12 PM


Not anymore, you've used the same argument hundreds of times - in a single thread - with these nutjobs. Now it's just a sport for you.
A member of our discussion brunch today had a similar objection. She didn't feel that we should be laughing at the Republican clowns getting ready to destroy Congress and our country. I quoted Michael Valentine Smith (a human raised by Martians) from Robert Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land (1961), when he was finally able to grok laughter (paraphrased): "Laughter is not nice. We never laugh at anything nice happening, but always at something bad. We laugh to keep it from hurting."
But the other point to laughing at MAGAts is to expose how ludicrous they are. They are going to speak anyway and to present their ridiculously false claims, so by publicly exposing them we can lessen the damage they do.
It's the same as with debating creationists -- refer to my page, Creation / Evolution Debates in which I provide several links to the ongoing discussion of whether to debate creationists:
  • Con: Such "debates" are travelling snake-oil shows run by creationists and rigged to ensure creationist "victory." Agreeing to debate is just falling into their trap.
  • Con: Agreeing to debate them just gives them false legitimacy.
  • Con: Well-meaning opponents who don't know what they're getting themselves into often do more damage to science education.
  • Pro: The creationist is going to speak anyway, so if there's nobody to hold him accountable for his lies then the public won't learn that he is indeed lying.
  • Pro: It's a training opportunity just waiting for you to exploit. One professor said that he can barely keep the attention of students in his lectures, but here's an auditorium full of people listening intently on every word he says.
Most of the time that I'm "wasting my time on that willfully stupid creationist", he's not the reason why I am casting pearls before that swine. Rather, I'm writing for the lurkers (formerly called "visitors" on this forum -- the number of non-member visitors used to appear on the "online now" line).
They may be fooled by the lies posted by our creationists and trolls unless someone refutes those lies. That is the service that we provide.

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Message 836 of 845 (904846)
01-09-2023 4:15 AM
Reply to: Message 835 by dwise1
01-08-2023 6:34 PM


Oh come on dwise1, what's happening on a couple of these fora stopped being the rebuttals of bad argument hundreds of posts ago, now it's just bear-baiting and name calling.
There's no-one but us here now to see it and there's no greater purpose involved in mocking people who are obviously either ill, stupid or just trolling. When this site was actually active, this behaviour would have been stopped within a few posts, now it continues because that's all we have.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 837 of 845 (904848)
01-09-2023 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 834 by Tangle
01-08-2023 3:26 PM


Say What?
Tangle writes:
And your 2 is Phat. Just sayin'

Am I missing some subtlety here?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 838 of 845 (904849)
01-09-2023 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 837 by Phat
01-09-2023 8:16 AM


Re: Say What?
No. It was not subtle.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 839 of 845 (904851)
01-09-2023 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 838 by Theodoric
01-09-2023 8:46 AM


Re: Say What?
Sometimes you guys are as subtle as a Mack Truck!

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 840 of 845 (904852)
01-09-2023 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 839 by Phat
01-09-2023 9:55 AM


Re: Say What?
Respect is earned. Not given freely.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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