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New Cat's Eye
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Message 15 of 103 (677407)
10-29-2012 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Theodoric
10-29-2012 2:27 PM


Me too. That is why I am assuming he doesn't need 101 classes in that one subject.
I noticed the ambiguity:
He needs basic classes in just about everything, but probably Geology.
He needs basic classes in just about everything but, probably, Geology.

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Message 20 of 103 (677424)
10-29-2012 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Larni
10-29-2012 4:01 PM


In the first one he needs Geography and in the second one he does not.
He needs basic classes in just about everything, but probably (needs it in) Geology.
He needs basic classes in just about everything but (except), probably, Geology.

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Message 31 of 103 (677505)
10-30-2012 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by foreveryoung
10-29-2012 11:54 PM


What they fail to recognize is that I have taken all of those 101 courses. Just because I pass a course doesn't mean that I agree with all the conclusions drawn by them.
I remember when I took a biology course on human evolution and the professor started the course explaining that they knew some people might be uncomfortable believing that humans evolved from apes. She said that she didn't expect you to believe it, but she expected you to be able to explain the scientific position on it.
You have posts here where you're not just disbelieving some thing, but you're exemplifying that you are not able to explain, and do not understand, the scientific position on it. And that's fine, and you're right that people shouldn't assume that you haven't studied it at all.
What rubs people the wrong way, is the sense of arrogance that comes off from a person who proclaims knowledge on a subject while displaying a lack of understanding of the subject.
If someone said they knew your religion was wrong because of the story of Jesus parting the Red Sea, wouldn't you be a little peeved?
We're not here to convert you. Or to be against you (apart from positions in a debate). We're here to discuss.
The way you approach the discussion is what determines how you'll receive from it. Ask, don't tell. Question, don't answer. Be open, not closed. That's the way to a fruitfull discussion.

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Message 32 of 103 (677506)
10-30-2012 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by foreveryoung
10-29-2012 11:54 PM


Their are so myopic in their thinking because they only talk to people who generally agree with them on these issues. They haven't been exposed to cogent, coherent arguments to the contrary. Because of this, they are unaware that there are other valid positions to be taken on many of the issues brought up here...
I don't think you're right on this. In fact, I think its almost the opposite.
I've been here for almost 8 years. We've pretty much seen it all and done it all. There's really nothing new coming in.
Some of the old timers are getting worn out arguing the same stuff over and over and that causes them to loose patience with the new kids who haven't been talking about this stuff for years already.

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Message 33 of 103 (677507)
10-30-2012 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by foreveryoung
10-29-2012 11:54 PM


You guys don't even realize that you have been indoctrinated. That is how severe it is. I don't buy stuff intellectually hook line and sinker because it comes from a prof. I certainly don't buy it from you "educated" guys. It takes me a long time before I eventually come around to believing some things. It took me a very long time to eventually come around to believing the earth is indeed very, very old.
Hold on, think about what you're saying.
We're you indocrinated into believing in an old Earth? Are you unaware of it? Or is it that the Earth really is old?
I'm one of these "educated" people you're complaining about. Its not that we've jumped at a scientific explanation, its that we have studied it and it does turn out to be true. But I do understand how we could appear to be indoctrinated.

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Message 51 of 103 (677590)
10-30-2012 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by foreveryoung
10-30-2012 2:43 PM


For you guys who believed it right off the bat without thinking of ways for it possibly to be not true, are guilty of being indoctrinated. You accepted what was told to you without thinking critically about it.
I didn't. And you can't know that about anyone else here (unless they told you that). Its not fair for you to characterize us like that and you're gonna reap what you sow.
I came to that conclusion by long and hard thinking and trying my absolute best to come up with ways that it wasn't true. After all those efforts had failed, I had no choice but to believe it. That is not indoctrination; that is critical thinking.
That's how most of us come to accept the explanations that we do. We're not indoctrinated like you think we are.

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Message 74 of 103 (677743)
11-01-2012 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by foreveryoung
11-01-2012 3:18 AM


Have you REALLY tried to find them in sources outside of this forum?
Yes! Really.
I am saying cannot fathom of any other way to think about these things because you have not come across and coherent and cogent argument for them. It is my position that you have not looked hard enough.
You really underestimate us. I've looked into all kinds of crazy shit. I sit at a computer all day, man. You don't know the things I've seen
Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

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