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Theodoric
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Message 91 of 143 (676935)
10-25-2012 8:30 PM
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10-25-2012 7:17 PM


Re: A House Divided
"Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner."
James Bovard
The US is not a Democracy. It most closely resembles a Federal Republic.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 92 of 143 (676949)
10-26-2012 2:07 AM
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10-25-2012 4:08 PM


Re: A House Divided
- I think you meant Venn diagrams?
Probably he did, but I think I like his way better.

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Message 93 of 143 (677510)
10-30-2012 10:21 AM
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10-25-2012 8:30 PM


Re: A House Divided
Theodoric writes:
The US is not a Democracy. It most closely resembles a Federal Republic.
What are some key differences between these two? (I could google it, but want to hear your perspective )

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Theodoric
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Message 94 of 143 (677513)
10-30-2012 10:39 AM
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10-30-2012 10:21 AM


Re: A House Divided
Basic one line difference is that in a pure democracy is majority rules. No exceptions. In a republic there is a constitution(or charter) that limits the majority and provides for individual and minority rights. In a pure democracy individual and minority rights are not considered.
James Madison is probably the founder most responsible for advocating against "Tyranny of the Majority".
The Federal part is that by splitting up the country into states would prevent a national majority form infringing the rights of a minority, because they would not necessarily be a majority in all states.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 95 of 143 (677517)
10-30-2012 10:56 AM
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10-30-2012 10:39 AM


Has there ever even been a pure democracy?
You say the US isn't a democracy, but it is classified as one.
I don't think "democracy" means "pure democracy".

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Message 96 of 143 (677524)
10-30-2012 11:26 AM
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10-30-2012 10:56 AM


Democracy
The US is only classified as a Democracy by the uniformed or when speaking colloquially. It has some democratic features but also those of a Republic and a Constitutional state.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 97 of 143 (677527)
10-30-2012 11:46 AM
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10-30-2012 11:26 AM


Re: Democracy
The US is only classified as a Democracy by the uniformed or when speaking colloquially.
The Economist Intelligence Unit uses the Democracy Index to classify the United States, and 24 other countries, as a Full Democracy.
It has some democratic features but also those of a Republic and a Constitutional state.
They include the qualities of federalism, constitutional republic, presidential system, and bicameralism within their classification as a democracy.

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Message 98 of 143 (677529)
10-30-2012 11:56 AM
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10-30-2012 11:46 AM


Re: Democracy
And as I said, it is speaking colloquially, informally and goes on to list more precise subdivisions.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 99 of 143 (677530)
10-30-2012 11:59 AM
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10-30-2012 11:56 AM


Re: Democracy
And as I said, it is speaking colloquially, informally and goes on to list more precise subdivisions.
I wouldn't call a big company like that using an index like that to classify countries like that as being "colloquial".
How much more formal could it get?
Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

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Message 100 of 143 (677532)
10-30-2012 12:14 PM
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10-30-2012 11:59 AM


Re: Democracy
Yet you provided a list of at least some of the various forms of government that it was including within the category. They are NOT using the term to describe any specific type of government but rather as an informal broad classification.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 101 of 143 (677534)
10-30-2012 12:39 PM
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10-30-2012 12:14 PM


Re: Democracy
Actaully it is a formal broad classification. That's how the word Democracy is being used. Its not being used to mean pure democracy, as I said.

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jar
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Message 102 of 143 (677535)
10-30-2012 12:51 PM
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10-30-2012 12:39 PM


Re: Democracy
Formal broad classification?
LOL
It is imprecise. It is vague.
It is certainly not a description of the US system but certainly good enough for a bumper sticker.
The problem is that the US population seems to be uneducated about our own Governmental system and describing it as a Democracy when the term is as vague as the one you reference simply allows people to avoid learning.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 103 of 143 (677537)
10-30-2012 1:40 PM
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10-30-2012 12:51 PM


Re: Democracy
Formal broad classification?
Yeah:
quote:
The Economist Intelligence Unit's Democracy Index is based on 60 indicators grouped in five different categories: electoral process and pluralism, civil liberties, functioning of government, political participation and political culture.
...
The countries are categorized into full democracies, flawed democracies, hybrid regimes and authoritarian regimes.
LOL
Laughing isn't an argument. It seems you're the one avoiding learning.
It is imprecise. It is vague.
Yes, that is how the word "democracy" is used, as I've been saying.

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jar
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Message 104 of 143 (677539)
10-30-2012 1:48 PM
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10-30-2012 1:40 PM


Re: Democracy
As I said:
Formal broad classification?
LOL
It is imprecise. It is vague.
It is certainly not a description of the US system but certainly good enough for a bumper sticker.
The problem is that the US population seems to be uneducated about our own Governmental system and describing it as a Democracy when the term is as vague as the one you reference simply allows people to avoid learning.
Please note the last sentence.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 105 of 143 (677540)
10-30-2012 1:51 PM
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10-30-2012 1:48 PM


Re: Democracy
As I replied:
Formal broad classification?
Yeah:
quote:
The Economist Intelligence Unit's Democracy Index is based on 60 indicators grouped in five different categories: electoral process and pluralism, civil liberties, functioning of government, political participation and political culture.
...
The countries are categorized into full democracies, flawed democracies, hybrid regimes and authoritarian regimes.
LOL
Laughing isn't an argument. It seems you're the one avoiding learning.
It is imprecise. It is vague.
Yes, that is how the word "democracy" is used, as I've been saying.
Please note your avoidance behavior.

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