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saab93f
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Message 1 of 19 (675402)
10-11-2012 5:14 AM


Just when I had come to a serene conclusion that little could upset me anymore, something did.
A man running as a Republican for State Representative in Arkansas has published a book in which he endorses the death penalty for rebellious children, expelling every Muslim from America and that liberals are together with Muslims form an alliance in the name of Antichrist.
I am just appalled - more so when I think that there must be at least thousands of people who strongly oppose the Sharia law while simultaneously supporting the diatribe Mr. Fuque spouts.
Charlie Fuqua, Arkansas Legislative Candidate, Endorses Death Penalty For Rebellious Children In Book | HuffPost Latest News

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vimesey
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Message 2 of 19 (675404)
10-11-2012 6:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by saab93f
10-11-2012 5:14 AM


Damn that's scary :-/
Extending the elephant analogy (ie an elephant is actually quite hard to describe to someone who has never seen one before, but we all know when there's one in the room with us), I think that we can all agree that whilst few of us might be clinical psychologists, we all know a raving lunatic when we see one. And this guy is one huge pile of bat crap crazy.
What is truly, deeply depressing, is that the GOP seems to have morphed from a respectable policitcal party (with views not all of us will share, but at least they were sane) to a haven for lunatics.

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Dogmafood
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Message 3 of 19 (675406)
10-11-2012 7:31 AM
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10-11-2012 5:14 AM


...a book in which he endorses the death penalty for rebellious children,
Well that seems an odd way of promoting the family as a critical institution in society. I wonder what would qualify a child for execution. Not doing their homework? Not eating their peas? Perhaps the dreaded putting of their elbows on the table.
If we execute all the rebellious children would there be any left to work in the factories?

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saab93f
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Message 4 of 19 (675407)
10-11-2012 7:38 AM
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10-11-2012 7:31 AM


quote:
Well that seems an odd way of promoting the family as a critical institution in society. I wonder what would qualify a child for execution. Not doing their homework? Not eating their peas? Perhaps the dreaded putting of their elbows on the table.
If we execute all the rebellious children would there be any left to work in the factories?
All relevant points. On Mr Fuck-yous defense has to be said that he was willing to allow a judicial process to take place instead of your run-of-the-mill: "Timmy take the garbage out...No dad Im doing my homework...bang...Johnny take the garbage out..."
On a serious note - how on earth can anyone be like that? How can anyone identify themselves as christian once a person like that has told that he is one.

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vimesey
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Message 5 of 19 (675408)
10-11-2012 7:53 AM
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10-11-2012 7:38 AM


Am I right in remembering that it is possible in the States for children to divorce their parents now ?
It'd be a neat solution to Timmy's and Jonny's dilemma - during the years they'd spend on death row, they could simply apply for a divorce, and then presumably Charlie Fuqua would no longer be able to require the death penalty for his kids - they wouldn't be his kids any more.
Of course, you'd have to persuade a Court that the fact that your parents want you to be executed is sufficient grounds for a divorce, but I'd like to think that, as divorce grounds go, that one is reasonably persuasive.

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Dogmafood
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Message 6 of 19 (675409)
10-11-2012 7:59 AM
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10-11-2012 7:38 AM


On a serious note - how on earth can anyone be like that?
It is quite simple really. All you have to do is substitute religion for reason. Like the cave dwelling mad dog who shot that 14 yr old girl in Pakistan.

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vimesey
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Message 7 of 19 (675435)
10-11-2012 10:50 AM


One of my work colleagues has just remarked that "you're grounded" does not normally mean 6 feet under the ground.

  
nwr
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Message 8 of 19 (675498)
10-11-2012 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by saab93f
10-11-2012 5:14 AM


A man running as a Republican for State Representative in Arkansas has published a book in which he endorses the death penalty for rebellious children, ...
This story seems to have gone viral on the Internet. I guess that's an indication that many people see this guy's position as absurd.
I'm changing my signature back to one that fundies really dislike. Quite honestly, I cannot see anything Christian about fundamentalist Christianity.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Tanypteryx
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Message 9 of 19 (675512)
10-11-2012 8:29 PM
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10-11-2012 5:14 AM


Can you imagine what life must be like in this shithead's family.....shuddering.
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.

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anglagard
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Message 10 of 19 (675513)
10-11-2012 10:44 PM


Puzzled
So our good politician from Arkansas, "Christian" Reconstrutionist that he is, wants us to live under his interpretation of the laws of the OT under his personally proclaimed infallibility.
quote:
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
So here is the headquarters of Walmart: Bentonville, Arkansas.
It is the duty of every fundamentalist "Christian"to kill (murder) anyone who works at Walmart on the Sabbath whenever you have decided the Sabbath actually is.
Naturally, this may include Jews who worship on Fridays and Sevenths (and their ilk) who worship on Saturdays.
As for all you fundies, let the killing of men, women, and children for your god begin as your god commanded.
Considering how well armed the populace of the US is, good luck, suckers!

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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Coyote
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Message 11 of 19 (675514)
10-11-2012 10:52 PM
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10-11-2012 10:44 PM


Re: Puzzled
Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.'
So let me get this straight. This pencil neck is going to take on the NFL and NASCAR both?
Good luck!

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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caffeine
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Message 12 of 19 (675523)
10-12-2012 4:58 AM


Context?
Well, I don't want to be the one to defend the nutter, but it seems no one else is going to!
It's not clear from the excerpt in the HuffPo article that he is actually suggesting the death penalty for rebellious children. It reads more like a fundamentalist trying to defend the morally-reprehensible bits of the Bible by twisting himself into knots in an attempt to make it sound morally acceptable. More along the lines of 'Yes, there are slaves in Bible, but they weren't really slaves' than 'We should bring back slavery'. It's hard to be sure without further context.

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vimesey
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Message 13 of 19 (675524)
10-12-2012 6:32 AM
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10-12-2012 4:58 AM


Re: Context?
Fair point, but I'm not inclined to cut him much slack. The language he uses (assuming the extract reported is accurate) is very general, and unless it is very explicitly and firmly tethered to a long-bygone age of abandoned morality, then any reference to the execution of children for being children can have a pervasive and corrosive effect now.
I'll be interested to see if the story going viral has a positive or a negative effect on his campaign. Maybe he's a diabolically cunning nutter.

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saab93f
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Message 14 of 19 (675526)
10-12-2012 6:40 AM
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10-12-2012 4:58 AM


Re: Context?
quote:
It's not clear from the excerpt in the HuffPo article that he is actually suggesting the death penalty for rebellious children. It reads more like a fundamentalist trying to defend the morally-reprehensible bits of the Bible by twisting himself into knots in an attempt to make it sound morally acceptable. More along the lines of 'Yes, there are slaves in Bible, but they weren't really slaves' than 'We should bring back slavery'. It's hard to be sure without further content.
He seems to be serious - he even describes the judicial process that would lead to eventual executions and goes on to tell that it would guarantee that things would not be done in haste.
How effing sick does one have to be even to entertain such thoughts?

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Coragyps
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Message 15 of 19 (675531)
10-12-2012 8:36 AM


Mr Fuqua is in Fort Smith. Growing up in Bentonville, my clique regarded Fort Smith as an exceedingly backward town.
Coming from Bentonville in the 60's, that is a pretty serious indictment.
Our sheriff then was named Buck Fuqua, but I don't think there is any kinship.

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