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Tangle
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Message 2851 of 3027 (894923)
06-02-2022 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 2850 by Son Goku
06-02-2022 4:13 PM


Re: Ringo and Jar. Two peas in a pod
Son Goku writes:
Just to say this isn't a closely tied to religion in Ireland as I think it is in the US. Opposition to abortion is still pretty high amongst atheists in Ireland. When I was an undergrad the head of the anti-abortion league in my uni was an ardent atheist.
Yes, the ethics of abortion are not restricted to those with religious beliefs. It's concerns us all.
I have to say that I'm personally uncomfortable with the current situation where we devolve the decision to the woman's right to choose and arbitrary time periods.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 2852 of 3027 (894924)
06-02-2022 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 2851 by Tangle
06-02-2022 4:32 PM


Re: Ringo and Jar. Two peas in a pod
What remedies would you suggest?

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Message 2853 of 3027 (894925)
06-02-2022 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2852 by AZPaul3
06-02-2022 5:48 PM


Re: Ringo and Jar. Two peas in a pod
AZP writes:
What remedies would you suggest?
I don't have any. Some problems don't have simple answers, but I'm uncomfortable ending life for convenience.
One day we'll look back on these practices and shudder.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 2854 of 3027 (894926)
06-02-2022 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2853 by Tangle
06-02-2022 6:17 PM


Re: Ringo and Jar. Two peas in a pod
I'm not sure 'convenience' is a factor in very many abortions.

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Message 2855 of 3027 (894927)
06-02-2022 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 2853 by Tangle
06-02-2022 6:17 PM


Re: Ringo and Jar. Two peas in a pod
I don't think so. Abortion has beeen around since.the first person figured how to do it. For millenia.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2856 of 3027 (894930)
06-03-2022 3:22 AM
Reply to: Message 2854 by jar
06-02-2022 7:28 PM


Re: Ringo and Jar. Two peas in a pod
jar writes:
I'm not sure 'convenience' is a factor in very many abortions.
I'm pretty sure it is. But I guess it depends what you think 'convenience' means.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 2857 of 3027 (894931)
06-03-2022 3:35 AM
Reply to: Message 2855 by Theodoric
06-02-2022 7:29 PM


Re: Ringo and Jar. Two peas in a pod
quote
I don't think so. Abortion has beeen around since.the first person figured how to do it. For millenia.
  —Theodoric
I'm just hoping for continued improvements in technical solutions. The condom was one, the contraceptive pill another, the 'morning after' pill yet another. (Though that last is also technically an abortion, most would accept that a few undifferentiated cells are not the same as a 12 week foetus.)
There needs to be changes in society too - equal access to early medical help, better education etc etc.
A boy can hope.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 2858 of 3027 (895513)
07-04-2022 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 2723 by FLRW
03-27-2021 4:09 PM


Re: You The Man
FLRW writes:
If you search for the most intelligent person to ever live, you will find the name William James Sidis. If you look up information on him you will find: In 1919, Sidis was arrested for participating in a socialist May Day parade in Boston that turned violent.
That fact that Sidis was a socialist proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that, far from being "the most intelligent person to ever live", he was an idiot.
A socialist - by defintion - has sh_t for brains.

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Message 2859 of 3027 (895514)
07-04-2022 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 2722 by AZPaul3
03-26-2021 12:29 AM


Re: You The Man
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Message 2860 of 3027 (895515)
07-04-2022 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 2722 by AZPaul3
03-26-2021 12:29 AM


Re: You The Man
AZPaul3 writes:
I cannot accept a belief statement. I need the science to accept and approve such a statement.
Anyone who believes reality is confined to the parameters of modern science is an ignoramus of exceptional quality.
I am not just atheist I am anti-theist.
Hey, no kidding?! The mere mention of God sends you into an apoplectic fit of mouth-frothing rage and malevolence.
You're like a hate-speech-spewing human version of Pavlov's dog.

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Message 2861 of 3027 (895517)
07-04-2022 10:06 PM
Reply to: Message 2860 by Dredge
07-04-2022 8:55 PM


Re: You The Man
The mere mention of God sends you into an apoplectic fit of mouth-frothing rage and malevolence.

You're like a hate-speech-spewing human version of Pavlov's dog.
The road to the Christo-fascist state is lined with the priests’ people telling you to stop overreacting.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 2862 of 3027 (895521)
07-05-2022 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 2856 by Tangle
06-03-2022 3:22 AM


Re: Ringo and Jar. Two peas in a pod
I guess you need to define convenience.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2863 of 3027 (895523)
07-05-2022 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 2857 by Tangle
06-03-2022 3:35 AM


Re: Ringo and Jar. Two peas in a pod
All those options are not 100%. Rapists and abusers rarely use birth control. Shame and fear will keep many girls and women from addressing it in a timely manner. Ectopic pregnancies will always exist. Complications and diseases will always exist that make abortion the safest and most effective manner of saving or preserving the life of the mother.
Oh yeah, none of your damn business what a woman chooses to do with her own body.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 2864 of 3027 (895524)
07-05-2022 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 2858 by Dredge
07-04-2022 7:30 PM


Re: You The Man
Self awareness is not very strong in this one.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2865 of 3027 (895525)
07-05-2022 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 2860 by Dredge
07-04-2022 8:55 PM


Re: You The Man
Admin
Really, is this acceptable discourse now?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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