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littlejimberry
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Message 1 of 18 (1067)
12-21-2001 2:13 PM


Find out more about the age of the earth, Carbon dating, evolution, and many other modern topics at: http://thetruth.00go.com

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RetroCrono
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Message 2 of 18 (1433)
01-01-2002 10:05 AM


I've just been checking out your site.
If you don't mind, could you go into a bit more detail into a lot of your proposed evidence for the True Age of the Earth. Just saying "Someone sat down and did the math" does very little to convince. What maths, can I see it and work through it myself to see if this claim is true? I'm pretty sure I know what your talking about in that one. Have you thought about checking the rebuttal to a lot of those arguments, I think that one there was rebutted like two decades ago.
The next bit about "The Missing Day" is a huge claim. Do you think there would be so many astrologers believing the earth is billions of years old if all the evidence pointed to only 10 000 years. I doubt it.
Next on the line up is "Ancestors or Not?" I ask, what? "why are apes still around if they evolved?". I know I didn't come from my sister, but rather we both come from my parents. The same scenario here. I'll just finish with, they base that hypothesis (dare I say theory) on a lot more than a common "tailbone". It stretches a lot further, believe me, a lot. Going by these claims, I beg to ask the question, have you looked at the evidence to see what there basing this on? It's not just some common bones.
As for carbon dating, do a little research first. Not just copy and paste from other creation arguments. Try starting here. Don't worry, it's written by a Christian so there is no reason to ignore it.
This page here. All I say is wow, your pretty damn confident on your stuff. Like your opening line, "ABSOLUTELY. And NEVER more than now! Biochemistry just discovered that Evolution is impossible even at the molecular level - so how could it exist at the species level?". Do you know Biochemistry? Lets just start off simple, work your way through this site.
Please, I know I should of probably not done this, but it is my belief that a lot of these false arguments can lead to loosing faith in the Bible and ultimately atheism. When people much like myself decide to do a little investigating for themselves, they find these arguments to be, well, wrong. It is through your misinterpretation of the Bible that causes Christianity to turn into a laughing stock.
Here's an example, you claim the Bible says the earth is 10 000 years, someone takes interest in this claim and does a little research of there own. Hang on, the earth isn't 10 000 years, oh, I guess the Bible is just a fairy tale than. They then go off thinking Christians are nothing but idiots.
Please, could you show me where it claims in the Bible the earth is 10 000 years old. Since your making this claim I'm sure you must be able to back it up. I've been reading the Bible like crazy recently and I can't seem to work out how people get this idea, a lot like a lot of other false (in my opinion) claims.
Some advice from one Christian to another, do something about your site.
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littlejimberry
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Message 3 of 18 (1441)
01-01-2002 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by RetroCrono
01-01-2002 10:05 AM


Dear RetroCrono, I have read your reply and your links. And in doing so I have come to agree with what you are saying. You are right. I am at fault for not considering the negative impact that my site would have on someone who is a struggling Christian or anyone else. You are right, if someone does find my site to be "wrong" then it is possible that it would turn him or her away from the Bible or his or her walk with God. And in doing so, my website has been permanently deleted to prevent such a tragedy to occur. I thank you for bringing this to my attention. Thank you and God Bless. - littlejimberry

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Percy
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Message 4 of 18 (1445)
01-01-2002 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by littlejimberry
01-01-2002 12:10 PM



xxx writes:
You are right, if someone does find my site to be "wrong" then it is possible that it would turn him or her away from the Bible or his or her walk with God. And in doing so, my website has been permanently deleted to prevent such a tragedy to occur.
Whoa! http://thetruth.00go.com/ is gone!
--Percy

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RetroCrono
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Message 5 of 18 (1468)
01-02-2002 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by littlejimberry
01-01-2002 12:10 PM


Wow, I commend you for taking action. I really still think you should have a site though. There is a lot that you could probably expand upon. Such as prophecies and philosophy as such. Perhaps you could get me on AIM (Retro Crono) or email me at retro_crono@yahoo.com.au
and if you still want to do a site I'll give you some links. Some of the other stuff I thought was pretty good. But, unlike many claim, science isn't really everything so I don't think it is needed in showing people the truth. I think it is the other areas that is so shockingly real. Anyway, I'll leave it in your hands to see what you want to do.
[This message has been edited by RetroCrono, 01-03-2002]

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Percy
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Message 6 of 18 (1476)
01-02-2002 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by RetroCrono
01-02-2002 10:52 AM


Did you perhaps mean "commend"?
--Percy

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RetroCrono
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Message 7 of 18 (1493)
01-03-2002 1:27 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Percy:
Did you perhaps mean "commend"?
Whoops. Yeah, I did. I fixed it up though.

  
Minnemooseus
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Message 8 of 18 (1495)
01-03-2002 2:59 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by RetroCrono
01-01-2002 10:05 AM


quote:
RetroCrono: Please, could you show me where it claims in the Bible the earth is 10 000 years old. Since your making this claim I'm sure you must be able to back it up. I've been reading the Bible like crazy recently and I can't seem to work out how people get this idea, a lot like a lot of other false (in my opinion) claims.
A nice discussion of the Biblical age of the earth calculations can be found at:
THE BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE ON THE AGE OF THE WORLD
http://www.grisda.org/resources/rb_bibch.htm
Moose

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Brad McFall
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From: Ithaca,NY, USA
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Message 9 of 18 (1505)
01-03-2002 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by littlejimberry
12-21-2001 2:13 PM


I hope that CRS or some other group able to accept Federal Monies be granted the challenge of operating a National Ecological Observatory Network OBSERVATORY, networking with evolutionists would thus show is there is good faith or ill will great out there on these Stations on Earth in the Declaration of Indpendence. More light stuff later. cREATION SICENCE IS NOT TECHNICALLY IN ANY CONFLICT with the network IT comp scie.

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toff
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Message 10 of 18 (4200)
02-12-2002 5:46 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Brad McFall
01-03-2002 11:17 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Brad McFall:
I hope that CRS or some other group able to accept Federal Monies be granted the challenge of operating a National Ecological Observatory Network OBSERVATORY, networking with evolutionists would thus show is there is good faith or ill will great out there on these Stations on Earth in the Declaration of Indpendence. More light stuff later. cREATION SICENCE IS NOT TECHNICALLY IN ANY CONFLICT with the network IT comp scie.
The CRS or the ICR is not capable of being able to accept Federal Monies, since they are religious, not scientific, institutions. There is no such thing as creation 'science'. That term is an attempt to delude people into thinking that a religious position is backed by science. It is not.

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gene90
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Posts: 1610
Joined: 12-25-2000


Message 11 of 18 (4215)
02-12-2002 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Percy
01-01-2002 1:32 PM


That site is not gone, the author's reply to you in this thread was apparently sarcasm, and his claim to have deleted it, a lie. He just took it down for 48 hours or so to avoid having to answer to your criticisms.
http://thetruth.00go.com/
[This message has been edited by gene90, 02-12-2002]

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littlejimberry
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Message 12 of 18 (4312)
02-12-2002 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by gene90
02-12-2002 9:11 AM


It is true, the site was only down for 48 hours. It was not to avoid sarcasm or avoid any questions, it was to gather my thoughts about my site, the information on the site, and how I presented it. I do believe that some of the information came across in the wrong way, and throughout the duration of my site being down, I have changed those mistakes. I haven't changed the evidence material, only the way it was presented. The evidence that is on my site will always be there and will always speak for large amounts of opinions that some have on the topics. Once again, the site wasn't taken down to avoid any questions or hassels from this message board, only to better my site. And I thank RetroCrono for pointing those flaws out.

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gene90
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Message 13 of 18 (4501)
02-14-2002 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by littlejimberry
02-12-2002 9:54 PM


Mea Culpa, twice over.
Would you be interested in debating any of those claims on your site here?

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littlejimberry
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Message 14 of 18 (4668)
02-15-2002 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by gene90
02-14-2002 12:06 PM


Yes, I would be interested.

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joz
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Message 15 of 18 (4679)
02-16-2002 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by littlejimberry
02-15-2002 10:57 PM


Ok for starters...
quote:
From littlejimberry`s website:
Ancestors or Not?
1)For centuries,
2)scientists have theorized that humans evolved from apes.
We as Christians believe whole heartily that God created us in His own image. Now, I don't know about you but can you picture an all-powerful ape?
3)Their main reasoning for the evolution theory is that humans and apes share a similar tailbone.
Now we all know that if someone discovered tomorrow that a dog and a whale had the same rib cage design then it would be said that they are ancestors. Any way, that is the main reason for the speculation on evolution.
4)But why are apes still around if they evolved?

1)Centuries?
2)From apes or a common ape like ancestor?
3)That and the vastly similar DNA, identical viral insertions etc....
4)Once again we didn`t evolve from modern apes but share a recent common ancestor... If you are going to attack a theory at least find out what it postulates first....
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