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Message 56 of 252 (726680)
05-11-2014 4:24 AM


Call to Christians to pray
I'm glad to hear Asgara is doing well but obviously she's not completely out of the woods. So I'd like to suggest that the Christians here commit to praying for Asgara -- and for RAZD. Let's pray that those spots on her lungs completely disappear and she gets a clean bill of health and that RAZD's remission becomes permanent.
God is merciful and heals people even without prayer, and may even hear the prayers of unbelievers sometimes, but scripture does say that He won't hear the prayers of those who despise His word and His law. That's why I'd suggest that Christians commit to this.
I'm lousy at keeping a prayer schedule so we need to remind each other.
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Message 71 of 252 (749455)
02-04-2015 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Asgara
02-04-2015 8:24 PM


Re: FUCK THIS SHIT
How painful, Asgara, I'm so sorry for your loss of a good friend.

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Message 86 of 252 (755858)
04-12-2015 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Asgara
04-05-2015 10:52 AM


Re: Off to the Salt Mines... AGAIN
Since your name has appeared again at the top of the board may we assume you've had the thoracotomy and all is well?

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Message 100 of 252 (757507)
05-09-2015 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by GDR
05-08-2015 6:49 PM


Re: Surgery
Congratulations on good news so far, and best wishes for the harder part to come.

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Message 141 of 252 (818199)
08-24-2017 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Asgara
08-24-2017 5:56 PM


Re: How is it going?
Cheers, Asgara, I've been praying for you, so glad to see you hanging in there. Family reunions are great things, wonderful to see people you haven't seen in decades. I went to one in May and in fact I went straight out of the hospital with doctor's permission -- GI bleed, no known cause, who knows what it will turn out to be but it hasn't come back so far. But it's nice to hear you're carrying on so well.
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Message 145 of 252 (818497)
08-29-2017 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Asgara
08-24-2017 5:56 PM


Re: How is it going?
Hi Asgara,
If I'm out of line let me know but I keep getting emails and other information about nutrition advice for everything including cancer, and since I've become worried about my own possible health problem I'm reading up on it even more than usual. GI bleed, unusual pain in gut, that sort of thing. I finally decided I don't want to find out if it's cancer, and if I did find it out I wouldn't take the usual treatments anyway, I would try the nutritional route for better or for worse.
I'm wondering what you've tried along these lines and if you'd be interested even at this late date in trying again? The most basic thing is carrot-apple juice. People have claimed that alone cured them of cancer. But they don't fool around with it, we're talking over three quarts a day of the stuff an 8-ounce glass at a time. The Gerson Institute is the source of that plan. Jay Kordich, who was also a big promoter of juicing, who died at 93 fairly recently, said he was inspired by Max Gerson's juicing cure for cancer when he had bladder cancer as a young man, said he did the thirteen glasses a day for I forget how long and claims it completely cured him.
Yes it's all anecdotal and probably sounds wacky too but I finally talked myself into doing it and reading up more on the Gerson plan. They believe in things I don't believe in, they reject salt and animal protein for instance, but I'm beyond caring, their system seems to work and I want to try it. If you are doing chemotherapy regularly there may be some kind of conflict you should find out about, but if you did go this route you'd stop all that kind of thing cold. There's lots on Gerson on You Tube and elsewhere. His daughter Charlotte is still living and teaching the method at the age of 95.
Whatever you think I wish you the best.
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Message 146 of 252 (818499)
08-29-2017 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Asgara
08-24-2017 5:56 PM


more on nutrition
Just a couple more things since you didn't tell me to take a flying leap.
I got an email a few days ago headlining a guy named Chris who says he beat cancer nutritionally, stage 3C colon cancer IIRC. He had it in 2003 I think he said, refused the standard treatments, did a lot of research on nutrition and claims to be cured. He's doing a ten-day live-stream series on how he cured himself starting on Sept 12. I don't know anything about his solutions, probably similar to Gerson's and others, but I decided I'm going to follow it and see if he has anything worthwhile to say. If you're interested the URL to his page is
Learn how people are healing cancer naturally
And an anecdote of my own. My brother and I knew a local man who had prostate cancer and consumed prodigious amounts of carrot juice that kept him alive for another 25 years. My brother remembers him taking a cartload of ten-pound bags of carrots to the checkout stand at the market. Probably not organic, and of course the Gerson people are big on organic. But we do what we can.

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Message 147 of 252 (818501)
08-29-2017 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by Faith
08-29-2017 6:27 PM


the negative side
Researching Gerson's ran across this guy who tried it and gave it up:
Too expensive
Too time-consuming
Hated the food
And it didn't work for him
From him I did get an idea what all it involves and I know I won't be trying anything close to the whole plan. The juices may be the extent of it as a matter of fact and probably not at the rate they prescribe either, and I'll probably do some combos I know are good for me whether they prescribe them or not. So who knows, I may eventually have to go see the doctor after all. So maybe this whole idea is a bust. I'm still going to watch the Chris stuff though.

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Message 153 of 252 (818702)
09-01-2017 7:06 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by RAZD
08-31-2017 8:10 PM


Re: Time, cancer, and family: try CBD
Not much was said on the video about its effect on the cancer itself, just one comment I think. Cannabis is supposed to have other benefits though, including stopping seizures, but I happen to know someone who was having seizures it didn't help. Not that it has to help everyone to be of benefit to some, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of evidence for any of the claims. I'm convinced that some juices, particularly carrot juice, actually kills cancer, some kinds of cancer in some people at least, from the anecdotal evidence, but there doesn't even seem to be that much for cannabis' effect on cancer.
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Message 155 of 252 (818727)
09-01-2017 1:30 PM
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09-01-2017 7:15 AM


Re: Time, cancer, and family: try CBD
Could you just sum up the research? Thanks.
I've been reading around in the website Chris Beat Cancer which is all about natural/nutritional treatments. One of his interviews is with the mother of a child diagnosed with brain tumors at age three who started this kind of therapy with him at the point he was sent home to die -- he's six at the time of the interview, still alive, cancer-free, but not fully well -- and she mentions that part of the treatment is the oil you are talking about, but not for the cancer itself, for the seizures and the pain.
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Message 187 of 252 (844885)
12-07-2018 12:43 PM


Wishing you all well
I'm not going to promise to pray for anybody because I always fail to keep it up and then I feel terrible when a person gets sick again. I'll pray when I think of it but I'm promising nothing. Wish I could.
I think good thoughts help some though. I think since Jesus told us that hatred in the heart is murder we can fairly conclude that our thoughts can have effects in the world, both good and bad thoughts.
In any case I'm still an advocate of carrot juice and greens and all that stuff nobody is willing to try. Would it kill you as it were to drink 40 oz of carrot juice every day? Some recommend 64 oz but 40 did it for one person I know of and I'm all for minimizing unpleasant tasks. It tastes good too though, and you can add stuff to improve it like garlic and onion and lemon and salt and whatever you like. Add some daily greens to the diet, similarly flavored to taste, cooked or raw as preferred. Spinach cooked with a bit of onion in chicken broth and pureed with some cream cheese is a heavenly soup. Do these things when your health gets really really bad at least. Along with all the stuff the docs do as well.
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Message 190 of 252 (844895)
12-07-2018 1:20 PM
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12-07-2018 12:53 PM


Re: Wishing you all well
I'm half dead just from thinking about it.
Cute. But I don't get it. I love the stuff. Especially with a green apple, celery and a beet, plus a bit of onion and lemon juice. Yum. The main problem with trying to get a lot of it every day is the chore of cleaning the juicer.
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Message 193 of 252 (844947)
12-09-2018 5:29 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by Tanypteryx
12-07-2018 1:54 PM


Re: Wishing you all well
Personally, I would feel guilty/uncomfortable if God did anything to help me when there are millions of starving children and adults and facing horrific daily situations.
No matter how we get better, whether by chemo or other medical treatments or carrot juice or anything else, God does it. Even if I pray for healing for you and you are healed it would probably be due to whatever treatments you are taking. So you are going to have to feel guilty no matter how you get better. Maybe you could try praying for the billions of sufferers in the world yourself. I only have the energy to pray for the couple dozen people on my personal list along with the political situation which is such a mess it takes a lot of time too. I can throw in a "help the suffering billions" prayer but I think it's going to take a little more than that. Meanwhile it isn't going to help them for us to be sick is it?
I love honeycrisp apples and vanilla yogurt. I have it almost every day as well as lots of vegetables every meal. I like carrot orange juice and have thought about getting some kind of juice machine.
Hm. Certainly good to be getting a lot of veggies, and fruit too, but you have quite a sweet tooth. One mistake people make when they get a juicer is to juice huge amounts of fresh fruit and skip the veggies "for later", which is yummy but so full of sugar they put on pounds before they know it's happening. AND I might point out that I understand cancers like sugar just as much as you do. At least don't eat added sugar, like that vanilla yogurt. There's a lot of sugar in carrots too, and beets, but apparently it isn't a problem the way added sugar is, or too much fruit. I hope your biopsy comes back clean but if it doesn't please give up the sugar and if you do get a juicer go for the carrot juice.
I have a Breville juicer, a solid enough machine I got at Amazon a few years ago. I hear the LaLanne (?) is good too. These are centrifugal juicers and they jam up with fiber after about a quart and a half of juice despite the fact that they shoot the fiber out the back as they go. Of course that's a lot of juice anyway. There's also something called a masticating juicer that is quite a bit more expensive but will make a lot more juice before needing to be cleaned, and supposedly wastes a lot less too. But if you want to research it all carefully go to You Tube where you can find dozens of videos comparing machines and people demonstrating their own favorites. You should also keep in mind that people seem to sort into two types, those who like juicing and those who like to make smoothies. They are completely different ways of packing in veggies and fruits. Smoothies require a powerful blender like a Vitamix or Blendtec, which seem powerful enough to liquify two by fours and concrete blocks. You can see those demonstrated at You Tube also. But juicing has the virtue of concentrating the nutrition by eliminating the fiber, that's supposedly what makes it a powerful nutritional healer. One health guru whose name I can't remember got started when he had bladder cancer as a young man and claims he was able to cure it with thirteen glasses of carrot-apple-celery juice a day. I know this sort of anecdote makes everybody's eyebrows fly up around here but oh well.
ABE BY THE WAY I'm thinking of RAZD in all this too, since he's been going through a lot lately.
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Message 195 of 252 (844957)
12-09-2018 1:19 AM
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12-08-2018 11:38 PM


Re: Wishing you all well
There are answers to all that.
Well, check out the juicers anyway.
abe: I watched a bunch of videos at You Tube myself last night. Vitamix has some amazing new models since last I checked. It's not a juicer though, and even if I thought I might have a use for one it's way out of my price range. But IMO the demonstrations are interesting to watch.
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Message 201 of 252 (847058)
01-17-2019 12:40 AM
Reply to: Message 197 by RAZD
01-16-2019 1:19 PM


Re: Wishing you all well
Starting regimen 4 for the past year, the last 3 each taking a chunk out of me, but barely touching the cancer.
Dammit, RAZD, get a juicer, drink two or more quarts of fresh carrot juice a day one glass at a time, and have a giant green salad too.
abe:
Adding celery and an apple to the carrot juice may improve its flavor if you don't like it.
I hope you're taking a lot of vitamins. One thing you need is super megadoses of Vitamin C. Amazon has Sodium Ascorbate powder that you can put in fruit juice by the heaping spoonful. At least two or three thousand mg a day but some people do twice that. Amazon also has strawberry extract powder which is supposed to be a good anti-cancer food. That and the C in fruit juice every day could help.
I know you aren't a fan of this kind of thing but it's all good food and what can it hurt? It might even help. At least improve your strength for dealing with the standard treatments that are so hard on a person. In your place since those treatments aren't working I'd stopthem myself, but at least I'd add the nutrients to them because they could offset the negative effects.
Yeah I know I'm a pain but I'm wishing you the best.
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