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Phat Member  Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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Watch this hypothetical argument and tell me what you think, Straggie.
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Taq writes: How does one study intelligent design apart from studying intelligence itself? My basic take on all of this is that intelligence is determined through a spiritual flow.
That is the challenge for this thread. Show us what the ID research program would actually need to do, what equipment would be needed to do this research, and how you would prioritize the money in this laboratory. Show us what a real ID research program would look like. Now mind you, this money is not to be spent testing evolution. It is meant to study ID, not evolution. Any experiments that test evolution will not meet the guidelines set out in the challenge.Taq writes: And I would maintain that such an intelligence exists and is past, present and future intelligence.
What we are actually interested in is if life on Earth was produced by an intelligence in the past. Ringo writes: And I would agree that our intelligence is insufficient...at least as far as creating anything much bigger than the Panama Canal or a super collidor. But I think ID'ists are far from conceding that it could happen. Their desired outcome is that intelligence is necessary but our intelligence is insufficient.
Straggler writes: I think you are either overestimating hypothetical humans ability to create or you are underestimating the power...never mind possibility...of a hypothetical Designer apart from humanity.
hypothetically a hypothetical human could obtain as much knowledge as a hypothetical creator. Straggler writes: I never said that you or anyone else could not have access to the concept of such knowledge. I only claim that you would not know how to use it. A Designer would. (hypothetically, of course. Well why don't we test this belief in divine wisdom? That could form the basis for a research project could it not? Let's take someone who believes that they are in communication with the divine (e.g. yourself apparently) and see whether they can demonstrate the validity of this belief by extracting some knowledge from the divine that it would otherwise not be possible for a mere human to have access to. )
Straggler, responding to my video writes: I disagree. The intellect without acknowledgement of a Designer is outside of communion. The intellect that acknowledges the possibility of a Designer is in communion. Problem?
Well I think it's a deeply flawed position on the problem of evil that has little relevance to this topic.
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
It is about defending a belief that you are already emotionally invested in from logic and reason. That assumes that logic and reason rule God out. In my experience they don't. I will admit, however, that the scientific method has served us well in explaining unexplainable things, whereas religious dogma has historically done poorly. Not that I dont believe spirituality CANT explain reality, mind you. 
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