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Author Topic:   Older fathers responsible for increase in autism?
anglagard
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Message 5 of 14 (671274)
08-23-2012 11:48 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Jon
08-23-2012 7:50 PM


Exception to the Bullshit Rule
My father was 50 when he sired me and 54 when he sired my sister. My sister is a scientist at LANL. She is currently in charge of the world's most powerful microscope. I was 35 when I sired my daughter, she is a highest honor student college senior finishing a double BS degree in math and chemistry. As to me, I am the black sheep of the family, being only a college dean. Granted this is anecdotal evidence instead of 'science' but I still smell a rat.
I would bet money that this research will be contradicted by further research which allows for more factors. The most successful sperm must out compete millions.
Seems on the level of nutrition 'facts'. Butter bad, margarine good.... no margarine bad butter good, eggs bad. No eggs good, milk bad...no milk good, bacon bad....no bacon good and so on. The same apples to pharmaceuticals but usually in the opposite direction.
The usual sloppy statistics improperly considering all factors reported by the scum of all professions, the one without even the slightest pretense of an ethical code -- journalists.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 10 of 14 (757373)
05-07-2015 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by caffeine
08-24-2012 4:00 AM


Re: Exception to the Bullshit Rule
quote:
My father was 50 when he sired me and 54 when he sired my sister. My sister is a scientist at LANL. She is currently in charge of the world's most powerful microscope. I was 35 when I sired my daughter, she is a highest honor student college senior finishing a double BS degree in math and chemistry. As to me, I am the black sheep of the family, being only a college dean. Granted this is anecdotal evidence instead of 'science' but I still smell a rat.
caffiene writes:
Surely you realise that your personal account is not only anecdotal, but wholly irrelevant to the accuracy of this study.
Most people do not develop autism. If children born to older fathers have a slightly higher risk of autism, then this means that most children born to older fathers do not develop autism either. If we picked somebody with an older dad at random, they'd be more likely to not be autistic than to be autistic.
And yet I can't see any other reason for the rodent odour. What's so prima facie improbable about the idea?
I belatedly apologize for my irrational position in this matter. Anecdotal evidence should never be relied upon in a rational discourse. It was simply rage against the dying of the light.
You were right and I was wrong.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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Message 14 of 14 (757440)
05-08-2015 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Taq
05-08-2015 6:14 PM


Redefinition of Autism
The increase in instances of Autism has more to do with changes in the English language than any other reason. Vaccination has obviously been ruled out as a cause, despite the certainty of ignorance combined with a general disrespect for science among too many in the USA. Environmental factors are a possibility, but it is difficult to ascertain any due to the background noise for a very simple reason.
When I was a child in the 1960s in Fresno, California, my mother used to do volunteer work at the home for the mentally retarded in a nearby town, Porterville. Today, the term mentally retarded is considered politically incorrect and anyone who may have been given such a diagnosis in the past is referred to as autistic. Recently, those who were lately diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome suddenly became mildly autistic, despite the fact many weird yet highly intelligent people with this supposed condition are immensely productive geniuses. So I guess some of those with the highest IQs and those with the lowest are all suffering from the same condition - autism.
I figure at the rate the word is being redefined, pretty soon I will have autism and so will you. Great way to make a word become meaningless, but it happens all the time in a living language.
Edited by anglagard, : clarity

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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