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Message 53 of 310 (669010)
07-26-2012 11:50 AM 		Reply to: Message 10 by Jon
07-26-2012 6:51 AM

Jon writes:
If the only arms allowed are useless in protecting someone from 'future tyranical powers', then the amendment is as good as non-existent.
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This has already occurred. All the home-owned tanks and rocket launchers you & your neighbors have in your backyards cannot protect you from a government that owns the Hydrogen Bomb.
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This aint 1776 any more.
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07-26-2012 11:57 AM 		Reply to: Message 34 by crashfrog
07-26-2012 10:52 AM

Re: Inclusive
Crash writes:
Well, there's a procedure by which the Constitution becomes amended. You'd have to convince a lot of people that the risk of a handful of nuts with firearms (or laser arms, I guess) outweighed the cost of ending a uniquely American tradition and the risks of disarming the populace and leaving them unable to defend themselves.
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The citizenry is already unable to defend themselves. The Amendment is toothless.
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07-26-2012 12:15 PM 		Reply to: Message 42 by ScientificBob
07-26-2012 11:13 AM

ScientificBob notes:
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And if the US would suddenly fall under the rule of a dictator or similar, where such action would indeed be called for, do you think this amendment would be worth anything at all? Would it still even exist?
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Exactly. Even if it already has, in it's gradual way. They got ICBMs, nukes up the wazoo, chemical weapons, biological weapons - you name it - and "you" (not any of us here, but a generic "you" for those who think they can still revolt against this government with the protection of the 2nd Amendment) want to start some kind of Branch-Davidian-Riva-Ridge-Michigan-Militia style standoff with your AK-47s and army surplus tank fleet? Good luck with that.
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07-26-2012 2:47 PM 		Reply to: Message 76 by jar
07-26-2012 1:33 PM

Re: Inclusive
Do you have any support for that assertion?
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Jar . . . gonzo journalism has its own value. See Hunter S. Thompson's body of work.
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The Dronester was in good form there.
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Message 145 of 310 (669264)
07-28-2012 1:37 PM 		Reply to: Message 139 by DevilsAdvocate
07-28-2012 11:16 AM

Re: Inclusive
DA throws out these 2 plots:
The US is at the top of the rank of number of homicides per 100,000 people in developed (first-world) countries, as high as 5.52 cases, or almost doubled the second follower Finland and
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and the 21st of all the 196 countries of the world just slightly lower than Mexico and the Philippines .
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DA - could you label the plots next time? I had to go into peek mode to find out that the one above was labeled suicide by gun rate and the one below was your rate of gun homicide you were trying to portray???
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Just a suggestion. I mean, WTF?
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