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I don't fear it, I find it stupid to arm civilians. Period. Has nothing to do with fear, at all.Civilians cannot judge a situation properly to be allowed to defend themselves with a gun. Police officers and military personel have a hard enough time doing it and they are actually trained to do so.Civilians should not be allowed to carry out deadly force when they see fit.Hunting rifle, I'm cool with it - to include shotguns. But handguns for defense or to rise up against the US is stupid.- Oni

Well since 85% of us think Jesus is coming back to save us all, this may be a futile attempt at persuading a large group of idiots. America makes me sad because of this, and the gun control issues, and the homophobia, and the racism, and the fat people. You don't think it's worth it not having armed civiians?- OniEdited by onifre, : No reason given.

Then it doesn't make much sense to have a law that says you can arm a militia to fight the government, when you can't even afford to buy a mini gun or lots of rifles n' stuff.Who do you think you're going up against with a couple of handguns and a Winchester 30-30, an army of Hare Krishna's?- Oni

Jesus Christ (Slave's voice)- Oni

Then why are you even asking for evidence?You feel armed, untrained people walking around carrying out deadly force is a-ok-USA when clearly the evidence shows how poorly people are at judging high pressured situations, much less when they have to hold a gun and shoot. Nor are you looking at the evidence that shows, any lunatic can buy a gun and shoot up any place they like. Does this not sound like something that shouldn't be taking place in a civilized country?The death penalty I guess is ok then, so long as you're a dude holding a gun in the middle of the night pointing at a figure of a person in your home, right?- OniEdited by onifre, : No reason given.Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

Me thinks it may have something to do with the guns in America.In every country there are lunatics willing to kill a massive amount of people. But, in most countries they don't have guns to carry it out.- Oni

It's the sole purpose of the Second Amendment. So use pellet guns. There are plenty out there for target shooting.- Oni

It's usually the same one's that believe Jesus is returning to save us, feel gays shouldn't marry, and the same who are quite uncomfortable with "the black guy" in the White House...who is probably a secret Muslim. You know, rational thinking bigots who need dem guns!- Oni

The populance is not trained at defending themselves with deadly weapons. That's what the police is for. In fact, that's what the academy is for. They don't just arm people who want to be cops, they train them on how to do that. On the other hand, any fool can own a gun and use it. No ese bueno... No one has said that. This is the strawman you are wildly taking swings at. As usual. I'm just waiting for the "I'm being misrepresented" and the "You're a liar" accusations to start coming. Didn't say that. Just said a figure. Could be your wife or girlfriend...or boyfriend? Notice everyone, now I "think" criminals have the right to expect a safe environment while they rob you. You read that well guys, that's what I THINK now. Oye vey, what a cunt.Anywho...There are other means to defend yourself other than guns. My friend has two trained pitbulls in his home, and no guns. Go in his house expecting "physical safety".- Oni

Well since its not the correct position, everything else you said IS invalidated.- Oni

The fact that most aren't police officers or former military (and only current former military.) I said "untrained in a high pressured situation." Knowing how to hold a gun and how to properly put it in safety, which is what is learned at most gun safety classes, is NOT what I said.Also, it's not required that one takes a gun safety course to even buy a gun, so you're hoping most people do that bare minimum. Easy now, I have no doubt that someone, say, like Catholic Sci has the up most care when handling a gun (for the most part) and is a responsible gun owner.Not what I'm talking about though. But I do recognize and value proper gun ownership. I should think so. The point is civilians are not trained at, nor should they be allowed to, know when a situation warrents deadly force or not. Could be your wife, could be a "murderer," who really knows. Then play a piano and sing about what pitbulls dream of when they take a pitbull nap?- Oni

Well that's why I said I don't want an armed police force either, except for special units like SWAT or DEA.Military officers in training is not what I think you meant to write. Some college graduate in Officer training school is NOT someone I trust with a weapon either.But having myself served in the Marine's Corp, I can tell you we get extensive training in boot camp with the M-16 in a variety of combat situations, and once you're in the fleet you get as much training as you want with other weapons. ANd even then, the experience to remain calm and fully control a situation comes through years of training and applying what is learned in combat.I'd say a soldier serving in the militaryis pretty well versed in marksmanship, both with small arms and larger weapons, and is trained and has (these days) experienced high pressured situations. Them I trust. You, your wife or the avergae civilian I do not. I do not support an armed police force either. You're talking without knowledge again, crash. I've been in boot camp, a freshly graduated Marine recruit knows more about weapons and is well trained in combat situations, more so than you or your wife will ever be. And that's just a graduate. Of course not, but the training and experience are what keeps you calm and in control during these situations. Something you or your wife will not be able to do. Sorry, neither of you is trained for hostile situations.It's that very ignorance and arrogance that makes you think you can do it, untill you fuck up and shoot the wrong/innocent person. There are too many cases like this, from not only civilians but by police officers.There simply is no need for an armed civilian population.- Oni

Very well put.It's no wonder that our country, where 85% believe in the return of Jesus, a majority are homophobic, more than half believe Obama is a secret Muslim, more than half don't accept evolution, with failing schools and racist politicians, that we suffer the same violent trends that the Middle East does too.- Oni

Can you read? Seriously...do you comprehend shit? You do this way too often for it to be just you typing too fast without reading.I said I don't support an armed police force, as in armed beat cops. I DO support armed SWAT, or special units that are trained. For the very reason YOU gave, that cops aren't trained that well.Now where the fuck did I say I don't support an armed military? You're an idiot dude.- Oni

Sorry, I was away due to the heavy hand of tyranny. In places where there is no SWAT then a special unit can exist with advanced training. But this is far from the topic of civilians with guns.- Oni