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Message 126 of 310 (669168)
07-27-2012 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by ScientificBob
07-26-2012 8:32 AM


An armed society is a polite society
Frankly, I am amazed that there is even discussion about this. I am amazed that so many people don't see anything wrong with being able to buy guns in a freaking supermarket
And I'm amazed that Europeans so willingly allowed their respective governments to disarm them.
Gosh, those arms sure would have come in handy during Germany's rampant occupation of Europe. And you know, a nation where only military and police have arms is, by definition, known as a Police State. I'm not comfortable with that.
Are any of you gun-proponents actually surprised by kids turning up at schools with a bunch of grenades and automatic weapons and start killing people?
No more surprised than when a killer in Norway went on a shooting rampage. Guess Norwegian laws against guns amounted to nothing.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 127 of 310 (669169)
07-27-2012 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by crashfrog
07-27-2012 12:25 PM


Re: Inclusive
The scope and purpose of the Amendment is completely explicit - "a well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state." "Well-regulated" means "orderly", as in "organized and effective."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YY5Rj4cQ50
The writings of the Founding Fathers make it explicitly clear that their intentions were for the People to have the right to bear arms. That's incontestable to the point of it being absurd to even argue over the point.
(Damn, it's been awhile. Forgot how to embed videos)

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 129 of 310 (669178)
07-27-2012 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by onifre
07-26-2012 4:53 PM


Re: Inclusive
It's that very ignorance and arrogance that makes you think you can do it, untill you fuck up and shoot the wrong/innocent person. There are too many cases like this, from not only civilians but by police officers.
So because it's within the realm of possibility that people get accidently shot that necessitates unilateral disarmament? Does that same prinicple apply to cars -- machines that statistically are infinitely more dangerous than guns?
There simply is no need for an armed civilian population.
Well said, Hitler. Forgive me for the blatant infraction of Godwin's Law, but I'm sure some government official told that to Germany and her citizens right before Nazi stormtroopers were hauling undesireables away.
As long as force and coercion exists, there is always a need for an armed civilian population.
And really, at the end of the day, America will never be disarmed willingly. It just won't ever be disarmed or occupied by anyone because there are too many people who value it and know it is a right afforded to them. Hell, the Framers were very clear that if anyone tries to take that right from them that the People rise up in insurrection.
So it's a moot point to even talk about. It won't happen without massive bloodshed. And should that bloodshed occur, it will be entirely the fault of the individuals or groups who waged that war against the People.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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