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Dr Adequate
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Message 23 of 236 (668585)
07-22-2012 9:36 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by onifre
07-22-2012 2:10 PM


Re: Death penalty
Anyone against giving this guy the death penalty?
In this particular case, isn't it likely that he'll turn out to be a looney? I think that does make a difference.

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Message 174 of 236 (668847)
07-24-2012 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by New Cat's Eye
07-24-2012 1:00 PM


Re: Gun control question
You can put a pistol grip, folding stock, and banana mag on a .22 and there'd be no good reason to call it an "assault weapon".
Well, y'know, Brenda Spencer, for example, did manage to carry out a shooting massacre using a .22 semi-automatic rifle. I don't know whether it had the accoutrements you mention, but if not then it was clearly quite dangerous even without them.

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Message 209 of 236 (668944)
07-25-2012 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by New Cat's Eye
07-25-2012 12:40 PM


Re: Gun control question
All guns are dangerous. Singling out specific aesthetic properties of guns, like grip size, stock shape and mag placement, to indicate which ones are "assault weapons" or not shows that the people who drafted the law don't know what the hell they are talking about.
The rules about whether a semi-automatic rifle was considered an assault weapon did not in fact involve the size of the grip, the shape of the stock, or the placement of the magazine. The criteria were two or more of the following:
* a folding or telescoping stock
* a pistol grip
* a bayonet mount
* a flash suppressor
* a grenade launcher

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Message 211 of 236 (668951)
07-26-2012 1:52 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by New Cat's Eye
07-26-2012 12:45 AM


Re: Gun control question
Whether or not a grip is a pistol grip is determined by its size.
No, it's determined by whether or not it is a pistol grip. Something else of the same size which was not a pistol grip would not be a pistol grip. I myself own numerous objects of about the same size as a pistol grip which are not in fact pistol grips.
Whether or not a stock is folding or telescopic is determined by its shape.
No, it's determined by whether or not it's a folding or telescopic stock. Something else of the same shape which neither folded nor telescoped would not be folding or telescopic.
This is where you weren't wrong, but only because it doesn't pertain to rifles...
"You weren't wrong when you said 'four', but only because we were talking about what two plus two was."
A pistol can be classified as an "assault weapon", according to the AWB, if it takes the mag somwhere other than the grip.
Not so. It also needs other properties. Here, let me help you.

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Message 218 of 236 (669088)
07-26-2012 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by crashfrog
07-26-2012 8:44 AM


Re: Gun control question
A pistol grip is the grip of a pistol. If we're talking about a rifle, then the grip of a rifle is a rifle grip, by definition. How can a rifle have a pistol grip if a rifle is not a pistol?
A pistol grip is something which allows you to hold something more or less at right-angles to the way it's pointing, like a pistol.
So, for example, this is a drill with a pistol grip.
It's still called a pistol grip even though it's on a drill and not a pistol.
Similarly, this gun, although it is not a pistol, has a pistol grip:

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Dr Adequate
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Message 225 of 236 (669107)
07-27-2012 1:17 AM
Reply to: Message 221 by crashfrog
07-26-2012 9:24 PM


Pistol Grip
Ok, but this rifle has a grip where you hold it more or less at right-angles to the way it's pointing:
I think that that would be a "semi-pistol grip".
And what makes a "pistol grip" on a rifle unacceptably dangerous on a rifle but not on a pistol?
Since all pistols have a pistol grip, there's no need to specify this as one of the features which makes a pistol unacceptably assault-weapon-ish any more than they needed to put "fires bullets out of one end" on the list.
Isn't this part of the law a regulation on nothing more than the appearance of the weapon?
Well, the military, who want their weapons to be assault weapons, use pistol grips, whereas skeet shooters (for example) who don't, use traditional rifle grips. Assuming that both groups know what they're doing, I suppose that there must be something about the ergonomics of the pistol grip that makes for a better assault weapon.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 226 of 236 (669109)
07-27-2012 1:31 AM
Reply to: Message 224 by foreveryoung
07-27-2012 1:00 AM


Why are you guys going into minutiae about pistol grips?
Well, since you ask ... the Middle East peace talks I was chairing broke down irreparably over the status of East Jerusalem, my search for a cancer cure is currently in hiatus due to a shortage of stem-cells, and Christina Aguilera is no longer returning my calls ... so I really have nothing better to do.

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