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Author Topic:   Creation cosmology and the Big Bang
Dogmafood
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Message 20 of 305 (663626)
05-25-2012 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Taq
05-25-2012 3:42 PM


As I am not a bigot I have no problem with dark energy or dark matter.
I still can not get my head around the idea that the Universe has no center. I have no reason to think that the center is anywhere near me but it seems that it should have one.
If the universe is infinite in all directions then I can see how every point could be considered the center. If there was a point somewhere in the past when the universe was not infinite in extent then there must have been a center. If it started as a dot then what happened to that spot?
When you blow up a balloon, where is the center of expansion on the surface of the balloon?
I realize that this is an analogy but the center is the same place it was before you inflated it. I do not understand where we make the jump from Euclidean to non Euclidean geometry

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Dogmafood
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Message 23 of 305 (663639)
05-25-2012 6:15 PM
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05-25-2012 5:51 PM


You may be mistakenly using the point in the center of the balloon instead of limiting yourself to the surface of the balloon.
This is what I mean by switching geometries. From what I can tell, you need at least 3 dimensions to have a surface that is not flat. You cant have the surface of the balloon without the inside. I know, I know 2-spheres and 3-spheres but are these not theoretical entities? Beside that, the universe certainly appears to have some depth. How is that like a surface?

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Dogmafood
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Message 24 of 305 (663640)
05-25-2012 6:32 PM
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05-25-2012 6:15 PM


...but the dot became the whole universe, so the whole universe is the center. The Big Bang was not a whole bunch of stuff flying out from the center, it is the center getting a LOT bigger.
I dont have a problem with the idea of expansion until you remove the idea of a center. Even if it is not expanding into anything it is still bigger than it was before. All the points are further away from any previous position.

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Dogmafood
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Message 144 of 305 (665496)
06-14-2012 7:24 AM
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06-14-2012 6:59 AM


Re: Big Bang violates physics
Things like evolution or the Big Bang could in principle be overturned by some new observation. But they can't conceivably be overturned by appeal to some scientific principle that everyone knows and is taught in their teenage years, because if they really contradicted such a principle then actual scientists would already know that, having been taught that principle when they were teenagers; it wouldn't fall to a layman to point it out.
What about when stuff like this happens?
quote:
A 16-year-old Indian origin schoolboy in Germany has managed to crack puzzles that baffled the world of maths for more than 350 years, it was reported in London Saturday.
Source

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Dogmafood
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Message 153 of 305 (665588)
06-14-2012 11:33 PM
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06-14-2012 9:58 AM


Re: Big Bang violates physics
I was just making the point that new truths can be extracted from existing knowledge.

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