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Message 16 of 305 (663539)
05-25-2012 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by NoNukes
05-25-2012 10:11 AM


Just another bump in the road.
I think the problem is one of exclusivity.
If every point appears to be the center of the universe then the Milky Way and the Earth in particular are not any more significant than any other point in the universe.
If the Earth is not significant then the life on the Earth is not significant.
It all goes back to wanting to be God's special little favorites.

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Message 18 of 305 (663543)
05-25-2012 10:54 AM
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05-25-2012 10:44 AM


Re: Just another bump in the road.
Why wouldn't that same reasoning require a flat earth with the Middle East in the center?
Until fairly recently it did; in fact with Jerusalem in the very center.

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Message 30 of 305 (663755)
05-26-2012 11:49 AM
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05-26-2012 11:40 AM


Talk about bizarre
If you look at both dark energy and dark matter, you are actually looking at antigravity and invisibility.
Say what?
Sorry but both Dark matter and Dark energy are observed the same way that Gravity is observed. They have nothing to do with either anti-gravity or invisibility.

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Message 41 of 305 (663878)
05-27-2012 11:36 AM
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05-26-2012 10:36 PM


the hand of God
It must be a property of space expansion thus the hand of God.
The right or left hand? Or maybe a two hand grip?
You have evidence I suppose of this "hand of God"?

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Message 43 of 305 (663881)
05-27-2012 12:02 PM
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05-27-2012 11:40 AM


Re: the hand of God
The problem with solutions like "the hand of God" is that they leave us as ignorant about how stuff works as we were before.
As most folk here know, I am a devout Christian who does believe that GOD created all that is, seen and unseen. But that's a personal belief and really irrelevant to the question of Cosmology or Evolution or any other field of inquiry.
The question is "how is it done?"
We observe the universe and see that it is expanding. We look at the energy sources and find that no matter how we add them up, we just don't see sufficient energy to explain the accelerating expansion. There has to be something more that we have not yet identified and so we assign a placeholder name to the force or forces we have not yet identified; we call it "Dark Energy".
We observe galaxies and find some behave in ways that we cannot explain based on the total mass that we can see. There needs to be something more that we have not yet identified and so we assign a placeholder name to the mass or masses we have not yet identified; we call it "Dark Matter".
We keep observing and find that we can observe where the Dark Matter seems to be located and we can tell how much Dark Energy there must be and some of the characteristics of Dark Energy.
The important point is that although we do not yet know what Dark Matter or Dark Energy are, we do know that whatever they are they are subject to direct observation by humans and that the observations do not depend on the observers POV or belief system or bias.
It is acknowledging areas where we do not yet have answers and continuing to search for those answers, while inserting "the hand of God" is an end point and an end point that teaches us nothing about how stuff works.

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Message 77 of 305 (664390)
05-31-2012 3:10 PM
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05-31-2012 2:27 PM


Re: Redshift quantization
From Critical Examinations of QSO Redshift Periodicities and Associations with Galaxies in Sloan Digital Sky Survey Data (2205):
2205?
or maybe 2005?

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Message 108 of 305 (665154)
06-08-2012 7:51 PM
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06-08-2012 7:43 PM


Re: W and Z
Now for God created to become the dominate view.
Since "God Created" is a content free phrase that does not increase knowledge of how anything happened and adds no value towards understanding anything it would be a totally worthless view.

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Message 302 of 305 (666539)
06-28-2012 12:13 PM


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Well. once again no one has come forward and presented a Creation cosmology model that was anything more than magic.
It really is that simple.

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