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shadow71
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Message 31 of 59 (662980)
05-20-2012 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Granny Magda
05-20-2012 5:17 PM


Re: Thanks for the reply, but...
Granny Magda writes:
Personally, I would say that none of the various Christian sects is truly legitimate, since none of them is true. Certainly though, some are better or worse than others and those groups who are in the business of stripping the gullible of their cash are the lowest of the low.
I assume you have evidence that "none of the various Christian sects is truly legtimate."
Or is this your opinion elevated to the "truth", without the benefit of factual support?

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Message 32 of 59 (662982)
05-20-2012 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by marc9000
05-20-2012 7:23 PM


Re: Thanks for the reply, but...
I never said religion is a con
I know. I was just pulling your leg.
For the record I do not believe that the majority of priests and preachers are con artists per se. I understand that most act out of a sincere belief.
I do think that there is some overlap though. Many of the same failures of critical thinking that are employed by con artists are also common in religion.
I only acknowledged that it can be used as a con by dishonest people. That doesn’t make religion any more guilty than science is guilty for those who dishonestly promote junk science.
I would agree that those who promulgate junk science for profit are pretty disgusting as well, although I think we may differ over what we regard as junk...
As a wild guess without any research, I’d say it would come in about 10th.
I think that if you really made a concerted effort you could go for at least 4th place.
Arguing abut how "slick" the con is is probably futile. What really matters is whether it is a con or not.
Lower than John Edwards? He has little girls inside of him to talk only to him, but that's okay because he's a liberal?
I would put deliberate religious charlatans roughly on a par with fraudulent scum like Edwards. He is a pretty major douche.
By the way, I neither know nor care about John Edwards' politics. He is a douche because he deliberately cons vulnerable people out of their cash. It has nothing to do with whether he's a liberal or not. You really need to learn not to blame the liberal bogeyman for everything you dislike. It makes you come across as kind of insane.
Maybe you could start by trying to go 24 hours without using the word "liberal".
There we go again, you assess Christianity without knowing anything about it.
I notice that you don't provide an answer to that one. If we shouldn't listen listen to humans who are not Christ, how can we listen to the NT authors? Of course if you were to provide a chapter and verse, it might be clearer what you were talking about. Or not.
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shadow71
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Message 33 of 59 (662984)
05-20-2012 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Panda
05-19-2012 11:20 AM


Re: Thanks for the reply, but...
marc9000 writes:
coyote writes:
And are you suggesting that we don't have shamans (under different names) in our culture today?
Yes I am, if you can't name them.
panda writes:
Oh.
You are unaware of the existence of priests?
Unusual - but that kind of ignorance no longer surprises me.
Here is a link to some information about them: Priest - Wikipedia
Based upon your logic would you agree that Richard Dawkins is a Shaman when he preaches there is no afterlife?

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Granny Magda
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Message 34 of 59 (662986)
05-20-2012 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by shadow71
05-20-2012 7:58 PM


Re: Thanks for the reply, but...
I assume you have evidence that "none of the various Christian sects is truly legtimate."
It's more that, as far as I can judge, none of the various religions has ever provided the kind of evidence for their key claims - the existence of God, the existence of a soul or an afterlife, etc. - that would allow one to regard any of them as being legitimate.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and the various Christian sects provide no more evidence for their peculiar ideas than any other faith, which is to say, slim to none. To regard any sect as legitimate on such thin evidence would be illogical.
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shadow71
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Message 35 of 59 (662988)
05-20-2012 8:16 PM
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05-20-2012 8:11 PM


Re: Thanks for the reply, but...
Granny Magda writes:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and the various Christian sects provide no more evidence for their peculiar ideas than any other faith, which is to say, slim to none. To regard any sect as legitimate on such thin evidence would be illogical.
Would you accept the "Blessed Mother's" appearances at Fatima and Lourdes, among others ,extraordinary evidence?

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jar
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Message 36 of 59 (662989)
05-20-2012 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by shadow71
05-20-2012 8:06 PM


Re: Thanks for the reply, but...
Of course not.
What he says is that there is absolutely no evidence of an afterlife.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 37 of 59 (662990)
05-20-2012 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Granny Magda
05-20-2012 8:03 PM


Re: Thanks for the reply, but...
By the way, I neither know nor care about John Edwards' politics. He is a douche because he deliberately cons vulnerable people out of their cash. It has nothing to do with whether he's a liberal or not. You really need to learn not to blame the liberal bogeyman for everything you dislike. It makes you come across as kind of insane.
It's not insanity, it's quite legit to wonder why those on scientific forums make a big deal about religious cons, yet never seem to wonder about junk science cons.
Maybe you could start by trying to go 24 hours without using the word "liberal".
Almost as bad as evolutionists usage of the term "creationist", isn't it?
I notice that you don't provide an answer to that one. If we shouldn't listen listen to humans who are not Christ, how can we listen to the NT authors? Of course if you were to provide a chapter and verse, it might be clearer what you were talking about. Or not.
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2 Timothy 3, 16, 17 - All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 NIV - All Scripture is God-breathed and is - Bible Gateway

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jar
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Message 38 of 59 (662991)
05-20-2012 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by shadow71
05-20-2012 8:16 PM


Re: Thanks for the reply, but...
Only if you can provide verifiable evidence that can be independently tested.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 39 of 59 (662992)
05-20-2012 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by marc9000
05-20-2012 8:23 PM


Re: Thanks for the reply, but...
You do know that the unknown author of 2 Timmy was not talking about the Bible?
The difference is that the Christian Cons do not face product liability risks and cannot even be charged as long as they pay their taxes.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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shadow71
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Message 40 of 59 (662993)
05-20-2012 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by jar
05-20-2012 8:21 PM


Re: Thanks for the reply, but...
jar writes:
Re: Thanks for the reply, but...
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Of course not.
What he says is that there is absolutely no evidence of an afterlife.
The Blessed Mother died. Wouldn't you agree her appearances are from the afterlife?

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jar
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Message 41 of 59 (662994)
05-20-2012 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by shadow71
05-20-2012 8:26 PM


Re: Thanks for the reply, but...
Nope. In fact so far there is no evidence she appeared.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 42 of 59 (663068)
05-21-2012 7:16 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by shadow71
05-20-2012 8:16 PM


Re: Thanks for the reply, but...
Would you accept the "Blessed Mother's" appearances at Fatima and Lourdes, among others ,extraordinary evidence?
If it were real? Well, it would be evidence that something very odd was going on. It would certainly give me pause for thought.
Your problem is in demonstrating that the phenomoenon is real. Nothing that I have seen has convinced me of that. I have seen various claims of miracles made by many different faiths. None of them come with compelling enough evidence to convince me that anything magical has happened. They all seem to be based on hysteria, exageration, misunderstanding and general credulity.
Tell you what, if you think that you have compelling evidence of miracles, take it to a new thread and we can discuss it there. It doesn't seem to be on topic here.
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Message 43 of 59 (663070)
05-21-2012 7:28 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by marc9000
05-20-2012 8:23 PM


Re: Thanks for the reply, but...
It's not insanity, it's quite legit to wonder why those on scientific forums make a big deal about religious cons, yet never seem to wonder about junk science cons.
Oh, lots of reasons. Mostly because the specific "scientific frauds" that you're thinking of only exist in your fevered imagination. But if you have a specific "con" in mind, do pull up a thread. I could do with a giggle.
Almost as bad as evolutionists usage of the term "creationist", isn't it?
If I blamed creationists for everything that irritated me, then this would be an appropriate response. As it is, it's just more evidence of how crazy you've gotten.
No. It's not as bad. It's much, much worse. Your obsession with liberals is beyond a political philosophy and is bordering upon becoming a symptom of psychosis. This thread for example has nothing to do with liberals. It was started by a politcal conservative, but still, you jump right in there whining about liberals as though this had any relevance whatsoever. It's pathetic and it only serves to make you look like a crank.
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2 Timothy 3, 16, 17 - All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Right. So the source of your confusion is that the Bible does not in fact say what you claimed it said. Okay. Glad to help.
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Message 44 of 59 (663110)
05-21-2012 12:46 PM
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05-20-2012 8:26 PM


Re: Thanks for the reply, but...
Wouldn't you agree her appearances are from the afterlife?
Well no, they're obviously the work of aliens

God separated the races and attempting to mix them is like attempting to mix water with diesel fuel.- Buzsaw Message 177
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
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Message 45 of 59 (663112)
05-21-2012 1:22 PM
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05-20-2012 8:26 PM


Re: Thanks for the reply, but...
The Blessed Mother died. Wouldn't you agree her appearances are from the afterlife?
No she was beamed up by aliens it says so right in your bible its just that the people of that time dint know what aliens or beaming technology was. So now from time to time she sends a holo-message from the planet Rexacorical Fallapatorious. Cmmon its clear as day that im right.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
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