Romney the Bully

I know, I saw.This is exactly the reason why I don't believe in democracy. Too many dumbasses out there.

well that would make you a bitch then.at least now I know what kind of man you are.Thanks for being honest.

I agree with you Oni, if schoolboys tried to trim my hair, I'd certainly fight back.From the responses you been getting, it SEEMS people like Rahvin, if they ever witnessed their girlfriend being violently and repeatedly gang-raped, I'd imagine they would just cower submissively, accepting the assault while "You memorize faces and names, and you call the cops" afterwards.How lucky their girlfriends are. The irony. Rahvin accuses ME of hyperventilating hyperbole. It burns.Rahvin doesn't get half as worked up about the murder of women and children via US foreign policies as he does about this topic. Consistency much?

Sure. Why not fight back with every tool at your disposal, including the law? So you'd fight back with your fists - which almost certainly won't work - and eschew fighting back with the legal means at your disposal, which includes big guys with guns who could put those rapists away for life or even put them in a grave?How lucky your girlfriend must be, that you'd rather die on a hill than make a difference.There's much I don't understand about you, Dronester, including your obsession with principle over results.

I think the emotional toll of doing absolutely nothing while my girlfriend was being attacked would be too hellish to live with. Apparently some of us can sleep at night better than others. Can I ask a simple poll of the forum participants? How many would simply watch their girlfriend be attacked? PLEASE, just a simple yes or no. Please point me to my post where I stated that. I don't believe Oni ever stated that either.(I don't understand how you seem to sway so many participants in this forum Crash.)Going off-topic . . . As I asked repeatedly before, please show me Obama's results in closing Guantanamo Bay or stopping child torture.BTW, I am saddened that Kucinich has recently decided to stop running for office. It seems you have joy in that. Do you think we have so many principled people in Washington that we can afford to have less?

Who said anything about doing nothing? That's exactly what Oni has stated, and what you stated - that you both consider it a supreme act of pussying out to get the cops involved when people assault you or your girlfriend, and that when Mitt Romney gets a bunch of his boarding school asshole buddies together to attack you with scissors, it's just not cricket to do anything but try and fail to fight off five or six guys with nothing but your bare fists.Me? Yeah, maybe I fight them with my fists. Or maybe with a knife or a gun. Maybe I succeed, or maybe I fail and they leave me bruised and battered. Guess what, leaving me alive was their biggest mistake, because now I'm coming back with as much force as I can muster. Maybe that's ten of my buddies, each with a tube sock full of quarters. Or maybe that's the monolithic force of law that I can bring down on them, because they've "technically" - that is, actually - committed assault and battery with a deadly weapon. Because I'm apparently better at reading statements in plain English than you are, and it shows. Nobody thinks you're the one who knows what he's talking about, because don't do the work that would take. I have not in my life ever given two shits about Dennis Kucinich, and to the extent that he's been One Of Our Guys, I'm actually somewhat dismayed that he's giving up. I offer him only as an example of what is accomplished when one is completely unwilling to work with one's own side, when one makes perfect the enemy of good enough, when one binds themselves up in a straightjacket of unwavering principle - absolutely nothing.

Are you enjoying your red herring? Is it fun to go off topic? Do you get your jollies by attacking straw men?What I or you would actually do is not relevant to this discussion.What is relevant are the facts:Mitt Romney (yes, this thread is about him and what he did, not fantasies in dronester's imagination) gathered up a group of young men, and proceeded with them to assault another young man, using scissors to cut his hair because he "can't look like that," presumably meaning the victim appeared to be too gay.There was an assault. An item was used in the commission of that assault which could be considered a deadly weapon, as a simple slip in the commission of that assault could have caused severe, permanent injury or death. There is ample evidence that today we would have considered this to be a hate crime. Mr Romney now claims to not even remember the event, though literally everyone else involved, from the victim to the perpetrators, remember it clearly, meaning Mr Romney is almost certainly lying.. Mr Romney has almost certainly changed in the intervening ~40 years and would not likely repeat the assault, but has not actually changed his views on homosexuality.Those are the relevant facts.Tangentially relevant are the fact that Oni believes that it's okay to blame the victim under at least some circumstances, that it's acceptable to call the victim of a massed assault with a weapon a "pussy" and that anyone who accurately describes the events as they occurred is also a "pussy."You, apparently, agree with him. To use your own absurd hypothetical, if your girlfriend were gang raped, you would call her a pussy if she didn't fight back against a large group of men who were armed with a sharp pair of scissors.To you, dronester, every debate is actually just another excuse to repeat your vendetta against myself and crash, because crash vehemently disagrees with you regarding drone strikes and I am swayed at least somewhat by some of crash's arguments. This includes threads like this one, where you're just contributing off-topic nonsense and red herring bullshit with a side order of hinted ad hominem attacks.Why is that, exactly?

Rahvin said he would "remember faces, go to cops afterwards". This doesn't seem to be "fighting back" in the way Oni or I are asserting. Do you disagree? All you have to do is point out the post where I stated that. If you can't, then maybe you are mistaken. Great, then all you have to do is show where I stated . . . As I asked repeatedly before, please show me Obama's results in closing Guantanamo Bay or stopping child torture.

The irony, it burns . . . You have the same level of reading comprehension as Crash. Show me where I stated that it is acceptable to call the victim a "pussy".

It's fighting back with the cops, which have guns and outnumber the rapists, which strikes me as likely to be more effective than Rahvin's pair of fists to their knives and brickbats, or whatever.But again, you're not actually interested in saving your girlfriend; you're interested in dying on a hill for your principles. Or, more accurately, in getting other people to die on a hill for your principles. (You could never be troubled to do it yourself.)

Thank you for conceding that "fighting back" with cops is not the way Oni and I are asserting.

Once again...
I understand your point, it's simply dishonest.
You're taking offence to an imaginary slight and expect me to feel bad over it. I don't. Deal with it. Irrelevant, not only is this an appeal to emotion, it was never my position to begin with. And yet, you keep talking..
You have a bad problem with honesty. Oh, look.. Yet another unfounded personal attack. I'm shocked. Again with your honesty issues, you should seek help. *points at the quote you are responding too* I never refused to acknowledge what happened, quote me where I did. Your conjecture is unfounded, if you're unable to distinguish your assumptions from demonstrable, reality I would suggest seeking medical help. Can you quote me where I ever said this was my stance? Becasue it IS something that happened, your appeal to emotion is not pursuasive. One more time, you're taking offence to an imaginary slight and expect me to feel bad about it. I don't.Get over it.

I'm not sure what you think I'm conceding. I agree that fighting back with the cops is exactly not "fighting back" according to you and Oni. Earlier you denied having said that, so thank you for conceding that you are, in fact, taking that position.But that's what I'm getting at, however. Why don't you consider it "fighting back"? Swinging the law at somebody is swinging a pretty big stick. If you're in a fight for your life, or a fight for someone else's life, why wouldn't you swing the biggest stick you can get your hands on?

Ok... so calling leading a gang of boys to assault another boy leading a gang of boys to assault another boy rather than "something" is dishonest? What about calling gang rape gang rape instead of "personal dispute"?Anyway, I'm done here. I agree to disagree. In my world, leading a gang of boys to assault another boy is leading a gang of boys to assault another boy just like gang rape is gang rape.In Evlreala's world, leading a gang of boys to assault another boy is "something" and gang rape is "personal dispute".Have a nice day to you.

Saying that this is my stance is dishonest, are you having trouble following along? QUOTE WHERE I SAID THIS WAS MY STANCE. Was that clear? Do you need me to explain it further to you? You've been saying you were done, yet you have yet to stop. Either stop responding, or stop claiming that you are done.If all you can do is attack my character and make stuff up, your opinion is of no value. Are you done making claims you cannot defend?
It's been amusing... Seek medical help.