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purpledawn
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Message 106 of 117 (653145)
02-18-2012 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Panda
02-18-2012 1:38 PM


Re: Omnipotent Parent
quote:
There is no point discussing anything with you because you don't decide the meaning of words until you need to win the argument and then you find an obscure meaning so that your previous claims don't look wrong.
When I make my argument I present the meaning of words or the basis for my opinion. It's difficult to make the point before I express my opinion or have an argument to make.
Actually I've presented my opinion of omnipotent long before now. Message 277
My responses depend on my opponent. When they provide nothing to build on, I'm left with doing my best to try and move the discussion forward concerning the topic and hope they will do the same.
Unless an omnipotent parent has the ability to change a persons attitude and behavior without the usual methods of reward or punishment, they aren't necessarily going to be any more successful in causing change in a person. In the Bible, God has used punishment and the promise of reward; but people still manage to be wicked. God doesn't change the wicked. They have to change themselves. IOW, they have to want to change. In my experience, the change doesn't always stick if the person isn't really on board.

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Panda
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Message 107 of 117 (653149)
02-18-2012 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Jon
02-18-2012 3:12 PM


Re: Omnipotent Parent
Jon writes:
Oh stop. Any all-powerful being has the power to control, at the very least, its own actions.
And I am sure that you think that is relevant to something.
Jon writes:
And there is no logic in construing omnipotence as also being control over the actions of others.
And there is no logic at all in there being a god - go figure.
Jon writes:
Absolutely no Christian whatsoever takes it to mean that.
I am going to call 'Bullshit' on your clearly false assertion.
Jon writes:
Besides, few Christians even take to the notion of an superbly omnipotent God; the idea seems, ironically, more popular with Atheists.
And since googling the phrase "superbly omnipotent God" returns no results, it would actually seem to only be popular with you.
Jon writes:
This thread is about the Christian God, in particular the characterizing of him as a father with all the powers and restrictions such a role entails.
Oh don't be stupid. There are no "powers and restrictions" applicable to the role of being a father.
Any powers and restrictions are due to the 'species' of the father.
Your laughable implication that a 'deity' father has the same powers and restrictions as a 'human' father is blatantly false.

If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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Panda
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Message 108 of 117 (653150)
02-18-2012 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by purpledawn
02-18-2012 3:34 PM


Re: Omnipotent Parent
PD writes:
When I make my argument I present the meaning of words or the basis for my opinion. It's difficult to make the point before I express my opinion or have an argument to make.
Deny your culpability all you want but...
Panda writes:
Maybe you should read the 2 similar accusations that Theodoric and Rahvin made.
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PD writes:
Actually I've presented my opinion of omnipotent long before now. Message 277
What?!? You expect me to read your entire 8 years of posting history to know what you mean? Hahahaha!
No.

If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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Message 109 of 117 (653160)
02-18-2012 6:29 PM


Warning For Panda
Panda, I would like to remind you that this is a Faith & Belief topic.
The goal here is understanding through discussion. Evidence is not required, nor is winning the argument the goal.
Please refrain from trying to frame the argument for the mere sake of winning it....if you have any faith and belief in support of it, please make your point. If you are simply against the concept of faith and belief, you have no purpose participating.

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purpledawn
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Message 110 of 117 (653172)
02-18-2012 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Panda
02-18-2012 5:10 PM


Re: Omnipotent Parent
quote:
Deny your culpability all you want but...
No wrong has been committed against you. Nothing harmful has happened to you. There's nothing to be culpable for.
I already responded to Rahvin and I've already provided the rationale for my opinion concerning omnipotence.
quote:
What?!? You expect me to read your entire 8 years of posting history to know what you mean? Hahahaha!
Panda writes:
There is no point discussing anything with you because you don't decide the meaning of words until you need to win the argument and then you find an obscure meaning so that your previous claims don't look wrong.
I provided evidence that I didn't just decide the meaning of the word omnipotent just to win this argument. As far as our discussion goes, I hadn't made any claims concerning omnipotence before I provided the rationale for my opinion. I'm not sure why you feel I should have provided a definition when I asked you for more information. Not usually how discussions progress. The ball was in your court.
The discussion really hadn't progressed into an argument yet. You hadn't provided any rationale or support for your statements, so there wasn't really anything to "win". I was trying to move the discussion forward. If you disagreed with my position, all you had to do was counter.
So far you keep avoiding the actual topic part of my posts.
Unlimited power or authority. How does any of that say that the being can do anything that we can imagine?

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Panda
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Message 111 of 117 (653177)
02-18-2012 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by AdminPhat
02-18-2012 6:29 PM


Re: Warning For Panda
AdminPhat writes:
The goal here is understanding through discussion. Evidence is not required, nor is winning the argument the goal.
I have not asked for evidence and the only time I mentioned 'winning the argument' is when I was criticising PD 'gotcha' technique.
AdminPhat writes:
Please refrain from trying to frame the argument for the mere sake of winning it
It was PurpleDawn who was framing the argument for the mere sake of winning.
AdminPhat writes:
if you have any faith and belief in support of it, please make your point. If you are simply against the concept of faith and belief, you have no purpose participating.
This makes little sense to me - but whatever.
Since you are basically telling me to leave, I will.
Cya.

If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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Technical user 
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Message 112 of 117 (657414)
03-28-2012 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by subbie
02-10-2012 5:03 PM


Three different ones
Edited by AdminModulous, : more nonsense hidden.

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Technical user 
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Message 113 of 117 (657416)
03-28-2012 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Technical user
03-28-2012 11:08 AM


Three different ones & a boy
Edited by AdminModulous, : nonsense hidden.

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subbie
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Message 114 of 117 (657418)
03-28-2012 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by Technical user
03-28-2012 11:17 AM


Re: Three different ones & a boy
Please stop vomiting your drivel in this thread.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Technical user 
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Message 115 of 117 (657420)
03-28-2012 12:05 PM


Skat off douchie
GOD the almighty jesus CHRIST the ONE and ONLY FATHER ELOHIM does not talk to men because they are not worth his time,for the most part they would either douch him off, spite him,spit in his face, or try to crawl his leg and hold the ding-dong if some devil out of hell has the nerve to call him a cocksucker
thankfully for all the lowly criers
the son has agreed to satisfy the rules of Lucifer's Die test
while men cry woe is me!

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Technical user 
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Message 116 of 117 (657421)
03-28-2012 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Technical user
03-28-2012 12:05 PM


Skat off douchie Part 2
The Truth About the Amityville Horror - Login
Lucifer's Christ!
WHILE YOU WERE HANGING YOURSELF ON SOMEONE ELSE'S WORDS DYING TO BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU HEARD I WAS STARING STRAIGHT INTO THE SHINING SUN!
REALLY!

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AdminModulous
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Message 117 of 117 (657422)
03-28-2012 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Technical user
03-28-2012 12:05 PM


I suspect that EvCForum is not going to satisfy your needs. I suggest you keep looking for an e-home. If you really really want to stay, you can email one of the Administrators here to plead your case, but I don't think we have anything to offer you here.
Edited by AdminModulous, : No reason given.

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